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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: gun carrry on bikes Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 10:35:44 -0500 Organization: Yellow Jersey, Ltd. Lines: 220 Message-ID: <vc6usg$27805$2@dont-email.me> References: <vbuo7u$8isg$2@dont-email.me> <vbvi1o$d607$6@dont-email.me> <0un6ejt9tqtc56insillmc0je5mo7pl6oh@4ax.com> <vbvue1$fuma$2@dont-email.me> <vc029e$gjs6$3@dont-email.me> <vc065r$l0sd$3@dont-email.me> <vc1d41$scvq$2@dont-email.me> <TVWEO.203902$kpic.201042@fx15.ams4> <vc1f53$ssl8$1@dont-email.me> <jL_EO.385225$grz1.291350@fx03.ams4> <vc1urd$vige$2@dont-email.me> <1r%EO.304287$kpic.194284@fx15.ams4> <7g19ejd7f87rbnjhp7o81fm27vb7v5vv07@4ax.com> <HG0FO.731584$azJ4.425506@fx16.ams4> <l269ejl2qv33b902c7f1lir48biu8d6rl7@4ax.com> <BacFO.733442$azJ4.36608@fx16.ams4> <vc45tj$1gaju$5@dont-email.me> <vc4sn4$1li1o$3@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 17:35:44 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="baf24fd5124c3906359146415058211c"; logging-data="2334725"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/z6nfN3eOFJSKSFG3EpYFM" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:oLQ72naPNtqvGFaE4ZaPQBwKszc= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vc4sn4$1li1o$3@dont-email.me> Bytes: 9684 On 9/14/2024 3:46 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: > On 9/14/2024 10:17 AM, AMuzi wrote: >> On 9/14/2024 3:53 AM, Roger Merriman wrote: >>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 19:48:55 GMT, Roger Merriman >>>> <roger@sarlet.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 18:23:57 GMT, Roger Merriman >>>>>> <roger@sarlet.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 9/13/2024 12:37 PM, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>>>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 9/13/2024 8:15 AM, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2024 8:57 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2024 8:50 PM, AMuzi wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2024 6:45 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2024 5:40 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 16:13:42 -0400, Frank >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Krygowski >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Understood. Your near-default point is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Everyone's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision is correct." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My frequent point is "You don't need to go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to extremes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be safe, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially on a bike." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My frequent point is that safe is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subjective evaluation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I feel safe on a bicycle sidepath, you don't. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You feel safe on a bicycle sidepath only if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you've got a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handgun ready to draw and fire within a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second or two. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct. Suits his situation, in his personal >>>>>>>>>>>>>> evaluation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As always, when seconds matter, 911 is just >>>>>>>>>>>>>> twenty minutes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> away. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "His situation" is shared by many other path >>>>>>>>>>>>> users. I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>> betting he's the only one so afraid as to never >>>>>>>>>>>>> ride without >>>>>>>>>>>>> his gun. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe not for those previously mugged. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There seems to be lack of equipment to carry a >>>>>>>>>>> gun on a bike, and indeed >>>>>>>>>>> it?s not mentioned by American YouTubers and so on. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It appears not to be sold which suggests doesn?t >>>>>>>>>>> really have a market, and >>>>>>>>>>> you can buy all sorts of cycling accessories for >>>>>>>>>>> you phone and so on. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Let alone that from how he described it, it?s a >>>>>>>>>>> nice pleasurable place to >>>>>>>>>>> ride. Doesn?t sound risky or deprived which often >>>>>>>>>>> are linked for well >>>>>>>>>>> reasons. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That he wants to and so on, well that?s his >>>>>>>>>>> choice and so on but doesn?t >>>>>>>>>>> sound like he rides in a risky area. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Easily fabricated as Mr Tricycle has or just one >>>>>>>>>> click on >>>>>>>>>> Amazon: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/bikase-gunkase-motorcycle- >>>>>>>>>> subcompact- handguns/dp/b0839m7t3y >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'll bet you £1 that your local London area shop >>>>>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>>>>> stock them. Different market entirely. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I admire his initiative and effort to do so but >>>>>>>>> that?s kinda of the point, >>>>>>>>> I suspect that your bike shop and one?s local to >>>>>>>>> Him would also not stock >>>>>>>>> them or similar. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As it?s just not a thing for most cyclists after >>>>>>>>> all if it was be more than >>>>>>>>> random Amazon bits. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We stock it and sell them occasionally. Less than inner >>>>>>>> tubes, but some. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That I?m mildly surprised by, though I?m still >>>>>>> unconvinced it?s common or >>>>>>> more bike related company?s would make such stuff. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Roger Merriman >>>>>> >>>>>> The Catrike is a unique situation. There's no way to >>>>>> put on a >>>>>> handlebar bag or a top bar bag, or the little holster >>>>>> shown above. >>>>>> I've been working with PVC pipe a lot: >>>>> >>>>> Even so its clearly not a common thing or item,Id >>>>> suspect that a hand gun >>>>> with its shape weight would need to be be somewhat >>>>> ungainly weight in a bar >>>>> or top bag, Id assume be fine with MTB backpacks/ >>>>> hydration packs as they >>>>> tend to have lots of pockets and be made with more >>>>> durable/stuff material. >>>> >>>> My Bersa thunder weighs 20 oz empty. Height 4.9" length >>>> 1.3 " >>>> >>>> Nine .380 rds weighs another 3 or 4 oz. The whole >>>> package is about the >>>> same weight as a 24 oz bottle of water and much smaller. >>>> https://bersausa.com/product/thunder-380/ >>> >>> Less it’s absolute weight more that it’s going focus it’s >>> weight due its >>> shape and size, and certainly with bar bags (along the >>> handlebars) unless >>> it’s a fairly packed bag it’s going to get tossed about, >>> and so on. >>> >>> Likewise jersey pockets and so on likely to sub par so >>> for folks who do >>> unless it’s a fairly relaxed man on a bike types would >>> need to find some >>> solutions. >>>> >>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53992548551/ >>>>>> in/datetaken/ >>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53992540086/ >>>>>> in/datetaken/ >>>>>> >>>>>> and it looked easier than it was. It involved heating >>>>>> and bending the >>>>>> Pvc Pipe and quickly cooling it to lock the shape. >>>>>> Then cutting and >>>>>> grinding make it so the Kydex holster fit and locked >>>>>> into it. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53145141933/ >>>>>> in/datetaken/ >>>>>> >>>>>> The Kydex holster is important because it protects the >>>>>> trigger. I can ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========