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Path: ...!fu-berlin.de!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: gun carrry on bikes Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 11:02:29 -0500 Organization: Yellow Jersey, Ltd. Lines: 217 Message-ID: <vc70el$27805$7@dont-email.me> References: <vc065r$l0sd$3@dont-email.me> <vc1d41$scvq$2@dont-email.me> <TVWEO.203902$kpic.201042@fx15.ams4> <vc1f53$ssl8$1@dont-email.me> <jL_EO.385225$grz1.291350@fx03.ams4> <vc1urd$vige$2@dont-email.me> <1r%EO.304287$kpic.194284@fx15.ams4> <7g19ejd7f87rbnjhp7o81fm27vb7v5vv07@4ax.com> <HG0FO.731584$azJ4.425506@fx16.ams4> <l269ejl2qv33b902c7f1lir48biu8d6rl7@4ax.com> <BacFO.733442$azJ4.36608@fx16.ams4> <5hoaejh4r1fssblq85485k75jjno9dvgef@4ax.com> <BZiFO.168702$QvZa.79896@fx08.ams4> <pdpbejp75i61ca2po40a3di12q86tv1arm@4ax.com> <UqxFO.697498$VK2e.433607@fx01.ams4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 18:02:30 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="baf24fd5124c3906359146415058211c"; logging-data="2334725"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+eZrRqvSc9ARgyVZVIkrMb" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:ALik4hJxaZgk70SJ+7V7R2WFXS8= In-Reply-To: <UqxFO.697498$VK2e.433607@fx01.ams4> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 10451 On 9/15/2024 4:04 AM, Roger Merriman wrote: > Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:37:53 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 08:53:53 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 19:48:55 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 18:23:57 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 9/13/2024 12:37 PM, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/13/2024 8:15 AM, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2024 8:57 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2024 8:50 PM, AMuzi wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2024 6:45 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2024 5:40 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 16:13:42 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Understood. Your near-default point is "Everyone's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision is correct." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My frequent point is "You don't need to go to extremes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be safe, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially on a bike." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My frequent point is that safe is a subjective evaluation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I feel safe on a bicycle sidepath, you don't. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You feel safe on a bicycle sidepath only if you've got a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handgun ready to draw and fire within a second or two. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct. Suits his situation, in his personal evaluation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As always, when seconds matter, 911 is just twenty minutes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> away. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "His situation" is shared by many other path users. I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> betting he's the only one so afraid as to never ride without >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his gun. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe not for those previously mugged. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> There seems to be lack of equipment to carry a gun on a bike, and indeed >>>>>>>>>>>>> it?s not mentioned by American YouTubers and so on. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It appears not to be sold which suggests doesn?t really have a market, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> you can buy all sorts of cycling accessories for you phone and so on. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Let alone that from how he described it, it?s a nice pleasurable place to >>>>>>>>>>>>> ride. Doesn?t sound risky or deprived which often are linked for well >>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That he wants to and so on, well that?s his choice and so on but doesn?t >>>>>>>>>>>>> sound like he rides in a risky area. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Easily fabricated as Mr Tricycle has or just one click on >>>>>>>>>>>> Amazon: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/bikase-gunkase-motorcycle-subcompact-handguns/dp/b0839m7t3y >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'll bet you £1 that your local London area shop doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>> stock them. Different market entirely. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I admire his initiative and effort to do so but that?s kinda of the point, >>>>>>>>>>> I suspect that your bike shop and one?s local to Him would also not stock >>>>>>>>>>> them or similar. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As it?s just not a thing for most cyclists after all if it was be more than >>>>>>>>>>> random Amazon bits. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We stock it and sell them occasionally. Less than inner >>>>>>>>>> tubes, but some. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That I?m mildly surprised by, though I?m still unconvinced it?s common or >>>>>>>>> more bike related company?s would make such stuff. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Catrike is a unique situation. There's no way to put on a >>>>>>>> handlebar bag or a top bar bag, or the little holster shown above. >>>>>>>> I've been working with PVC pipe a lot: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Even so it?s clearly not a common thing or item,I?d suspect that a hand gun >>>>>>> with its shape weight would need to be be somewhat ungainly weight in a bar >>>>>>> or top bag, I?d assume be fine with MTB backpacks/hydration packs as they >>>>>>> tend to have lots of pockets and be made with more durable/stuff material. >>>>>> >>>>>> My Bersa thunder weighs 20 oz empty. Height 4.9" length 1.3 " >>>>>> >>>>>> Nine .380 rds weighs another 3 or 4 oz. The whole package is about the >>>>>> same weight as a 24 oz bottle of water and much smaller. >>>>>> https://bersausa.com/product/thunder-380/ >>>>> >>>>> Less it?s absolute weight more that it?s going focus it?s weight due its >>>>> shape and size, and certainly with bar bags (along the handlebars) unless >>>>> it?s a fairly packed bag it?s going to get tossed about, and so on. >>>> >>>> Coild be. I don't know. I never had a handlebar bag or a top bar bag. >>>> At any rate, it's not my problem. >>>> >>>>> Likewise jersey pockets and so on likely to sub par so for folks who do >>>>> unless it?s a fairly relaxed man on a bike types would need to find some >>>>> solutions. >>>> >>>> I've seen advice about carrying a gun in a fanny pack, too. >>>> https://www.outdoorlife.com/story/gear/top-concealed-carry-options-for-hikers-runners-cyclists/ >>>> >>> The MTB designed for packs even the smaller ones Im sure would be fine as >>> do tend to be designed to carry stuff. >>> >>> Which would be perfectly acceptable to use on a road bike, they are used on >>> the multiple 100 mile gravel rides for that reason. >>> >>>> Carrying a gun is remarkable easy to do nowdays with all the compact >>>> guns available. More and more states are allowing it now, due to the >>>> demands to do it. The gun haters and fearmongers are losing the >>>> battle. >>>> >>> It doesnt seem to be be much of a thing for cycling judging by the lack of >>> cycling specific holders, and the American YouTubers as I like Gravel and >>> America is its birth place, all sorts of weird kit is discuses and >>> reviewed including some odd tat from Aliexpress and so on! >>> >>> But advise on how to carry a gun or kit to do so is noticeably absent. >>> >>> Id suggest your in the Minority in that regard. >>> >>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53992548551/in/datetaken/ >>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53992540086/in/datetaken/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and it looked easier than it was. It involved heating and bending the >>>>>>>> Pvc Pipe and quickly cooling it to lock the shape. Then cutting and >>>>>>>> grinding make it so the Kydex holster fit and locked into it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53145141933/in/datetaken/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Kydex holster is important because it protects the trigger. I can >>>>>>>> use that same Kydex holster with out any changes to clip onto my belt >>>>>>>> for inside the waistband carry. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do admire the effort even if I don?t see the usefulness of it as you >>>>>>> were. >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> C'est bon >>>>>>>> Soloman >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Roger Merriman >>>>>> ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========