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Subject: Re: another hint of quantum consciousness
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 17:03:40 -0000 (UTC)
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On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 08:48:37 -0700, john larkin wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 16:44:58 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
> 
>>On 9/15/24 12:53, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> On a sunny day (Sun, 15 Sep 2024 15:56:16 +1000) it happened Bill
>>> Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vc5su1$200qt$6@dont-email.me>:
>>> 
>>>> On 15/09/2024 1:03 pm, john larkin wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:39:20 -0700, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 21:18:44 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
>>>>>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/14/24 20:08, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:36:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
>>>>>>>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/14/24 17:13, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://scitechdaily.com/groundbreaking-study-affirms-quantum-
basis-for-consciousness-a-paradigm-shift-in-understanding-human-nature/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Interesting way to define consciousness, the thing that goes
>>>>>>>>>> away when an a general anesthetic is applied. That can be
>>>>>>>>>> quantified.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I paraphrase: "Since we don't know how it works, it must be
>>>>>>>>> quantum".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or, more conventionally, "It can't be quantum because QM only
>>>>>>>> works at liquid helium temperatures."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's it then: Quantum-something is merely religion. The god of
>>>>>>>>> the gaps.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There's a lot of quantum nonsense about. This is just one
>>>>>>>>> example.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, explain how we can name one image out of maybe a million
>>>>>>>> stored images, in a fraction of a second.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, that's the typical comeback of religious believers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't recall invoking religion here, or calling myself a
>>>>>> believer. I was asking about image storage and high-speed matching.
>>>>>> It's even more amazing when you consider all the optical
>>>>>> distortions and viewing angles and changes in illumination and
>>>>>> motion effects in real life; we don't match nice flat photos.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How are our collections of images stored?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When some people encounter an unwelcome idea, they call the people
>>>>>> that they disagree with bible bangers, and assume they have won the
>>>>>> argument.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know how it works. Let's find out. AI seems to be getting
>>>>>>> there, and it requires no quantum theory. Just loads of data and a
>>>>>>> lot of matrix math.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are determined to exclude the possibility that are brains use
>>>>>> QM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Given that most all physics and chemistry is fundamentally quantum
>>>>>> mechanical, why would evolution refuse to allow cells to use
>>>>>> quantum effects?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most people don't really believe in evolution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeroen Belleman
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be pretty good packing, storing one bit of data per atom.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://interestingengineering.com/science/wobble-nucleus-of-atom-
quantum-data
>>>>>
>>>>> or maybe more than one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nice possibilities for quantum correlation, pattern matching, too.
>>>>
>>>> If evolution is that clever, why doesn't it exploit error-detecton
>>>> and -correction coding?
>>>> Bill Sloman, Sydney
>>> 
>>> It does all the time in RNA DNA I was reading this stuff this morning:
>>>   Explaning DNA organisation in chromosomes:
>>>   https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/09/240912135801.htm
>>>   http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/sstr.202400203
>>>    there is still a lot to learn
>>> 
>>> design something, write some code, show us.
>>> plenty of broken records around, not interesting.

Bill prefers to insult others in a condescending manner. It's easier.

>>An organism with extensive DNA repair ability is Deinococcus
>>Radiodurans, so evolution is apparently clever enough.
>>
>>Jeroen Belleman
> 
> We would die of cancer before we were born if we didn't have error
> correction in cell division.

At least that would solve the population explosion. What are we at now? 9 
billion? And they've all decided to join us in N. America and Europe for 
some reason.