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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: gun carrry on bikes Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 13:08:00 -0500 Organization: Yellow Jersey, Ltd. Lines: 246 Message-ID: <vc77pv$29vut$1@dont-email.me> References: <vbuo7u$8isg$2@dont-email.me> <vbvi1o$d607$6@dont-email.me> <0un6ejt9tqtc56insillmc0je5mo7pl6oh@4ax.com> <vbvue1$fuma$2@dont-email.me> <vc029e$gjs6$3@dont-email.me> <vc065r$l0sd$3@dont-email.me> <vc1d41$scvq$2@dont-email.me> <TVWEO.203902$kpic.201042@fx15.ams4> <vc1f53$ssl8$1@dont-email.me> <jL_EO.385225$grz1.291350@fx03.ams4> <vc1urd$vige$2@dont-email.me> <1r%EO.304287$kpic.194284@fx15.ams4> <7g19ejd7f87rbnjhp7o81fm27vb7v5vv07@4ax.com> <HG0FO.731584$azJ4.425506@fx16.ams4> <l269ejl2qv33b902c7f1lir48biu8d6rl7@4ax.com> <BacFO.733442$azJ4.36608@fx16.ams4> <vc45tj$1gaju$5@dont-email.me> <vc4sn4$1li1o$3@dont-email.me> <vc6usg$27805$2@dont-email.me> <IZEFO.75551$4J12.6936@fx12.ams4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 20:08:00 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="baf24fd5124c3906359146415058211c"; logging-data="2424797"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/mrS/oYHxuGLYk+b+PAZYy" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:BHJPNZYrhCN6Hs+tjr7C9ySDRTE= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <IZEFO.75551$4J12.6936@fx12.ams4> Bytes: 11300 On 9/15/2024 12:39 PM, Roger Merriman wrote: > AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >> On 9/14/2024 3:46 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>> On 9/14/2024 10:17 AM, AMuzi wrote: >>>> On 9/14/2024 3:53 AM, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 19:48:55 GMT, Roger Merriman >>>>>> <roger@sarlet.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 18:23:57 GMT, Roger Merriman >>>>>>>> <roger@sarlet.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 9/13/2024 12:37 PM, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/13/2024 8:15 AM, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2024 8:57 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2024 8:50 PM, AMuzi wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2024 6:45 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2024 5:40 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 16:13:42 -0400, Frank >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Krygowski >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Understood. Your near-default point is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Everyone's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision is correct." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My frequent point is "You don't need to go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to extremes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be safe, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially on a bike." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My frequent point is that safe is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subjective evaluation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I feel safe on a bicycle sidepath, you don't. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You feel safe on a bicycle sidepath only if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you've got a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handgun ready to draw and fire within a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second or two. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct. Suits his situation, in his personal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evaluation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As always, when seconds matter, 911 is just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twenty minutes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> away. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "His situation" is shared by many other path >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users. I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> betting he's the only one so afraid as to never >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ride without >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his gun. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe not for those previously mugged. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> There seems to be lack of equipment to carry a >>>>>>>>>>>>> gun on a bike, and indeed >>>>>>>>>>>>> it?s not mentioned by American YouTubers and so on. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It appears not to be sold which suggests doesn?t >>>>>>>>>>>>> really have a market, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> you can buy all sorts of cycling accessories for >>>>>>>>>>>>> you phone and so on. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Let alone that from how he described it, it?s a >>>>>>>>>>>>> nice pleasurable place to >>>>>>>>>>>>> ride. Doesn?t sound risky or deprived which often >>>>>>>>>>>>> are linked for well >>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That he wants to and so on, well that?s his >>>>>>>>>>>>> choice and so on but doesn?t >>>>>>>>>>>>> sound like he rides in a risky area. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Easily fabricated as Mr Tricycle has or just one >>>>>>>>>>>> click on >>>>>>>>>>>> Amazon: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/bikase-gunkase-motorcycle- >>>>>>>>>>>> subcompact- handguns/dp/b0839m7t3y >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'll bet you £1 that your local London area shop >>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>> stock them. Different market entirely. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I admire his initiative and effort to do so but >>>>>>>>>>> that?s kinda of the point, >>>>>>>>>>> I suspect that your bike shop and one?s local to >>>>>>>>>>> Him would also not stock >>>>>>>>>>> them or similar. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As it?s just not a thing for most cyclists after >>>>>>>>>>> all if it was be more than >>>>>>>>>>> random Amazon bits. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We stock it and sell them occasionally. Less than inner >>>>>>>>>> tubes, but some. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That I?m mildly surprised by, though I?m still >>>>>>>>> unconvinced it?s common or >>>>>>>>> more bike related company?s would make such stuff. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Catrike is a unique situation. There's no way to >>>>>>>> put on a >>>>>>>> handlebar bag or a top bar bag, or the little holster >>>>>>>> shown above. >>>>>>>> I've been working with PVC pipe a lot: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Even so its clearly not a common thing or item,Id >>>>>>> suspect that a hand gun >>>>>>> with its shape weight would need to be be somewhat >>>>>>> ungainly weight in a bar >>>>>>> or top bag, Id assume be fine with MTB backpacks/ >>>>>>> hydration packs as they >>>>>>> tend to have lots of pockets and be made with more >>>>>>> durable/stuff material. >>>>>> >>>>>> My Bersa thunder weighs 20 oz empty. Height 4.9" length >>>>>> 1.3 " >>>>>> >>>>>> Nine .380 rds weighs another 3 or 4 oz. The whole >>>>>> package is about the >>>>>> same weight as a 24 oz bottle of water and much smaller. >>>>>> https://bersausa.com/product/thunder-380/ >>>>> >>>>> Less it’s absolute weight more that it’s going focus it’s >>>>> weight due its >>>>> shape and size, and certainly with bar bags (along the >>>>> handlebars) unless >>>>> it’s a fairly packed bag it’s going to get tossed about, >>>>> and so on. >>>>> >>>>> Likewise jersey pockets and so on likely to sub par so >>>>> for folks who do >>>>> unless it’s a fairly relaxed man on a bike types would >>>>> need to find some >>>>> solutions. >>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53992548551/ >>>>>>>> in/datetaken/ >>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53992540086/ >>>>>>>> in/datetaken/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and it looked easier than it was. It involved heating >>>>>>>> and bending the >>>>>>>> Pvc Pipe and quickly cooling it to lock the shape. >>>>>>>> Then cutting and >>>>>>>> grinding make it so the Kydex holster fit and locked >>>>>>>> into it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53145141933/ >>>>>>>> in/datetaken/ ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========