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From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
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Subject: Re: tricyclist shot
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2024 10:26:50 -0500
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On 9/16/2024 9:29 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 9/15/2024 11:07 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 14:41:00 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/14/2024 10:03 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 18:30:16 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:50:38 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/14/2024 11:42 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2024/09/13/us-news/cyclist-75- 
>>>>>>> stuck-in-face-by-stray-
>>>>>>> bullet-on-nyc-street/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fortunately NY laws kept the victim from returning 
>>>>>>> fire, else it could
>>>>>>> have been a tragedy for the hapless juveniles, 
>>>>>>> damaged by society's
>>>>>>> failures.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is what happens if you saturate society with guns.
>>>>>
>>>>>     According to the article, all of the criminals were 
>>>>> teens.
>>>>> It's probably easier to buy a stolen gun that a bottle 
>>>>> of beer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But gosh, no "good guy with a gun" was able to stop 
>>>>>> the shooting? How
>>>>>> can that be?
>>>>>
>>>>>     I'm glad the laws kept him from returning fire. 
>>>>> Imagine a 75
>>>>> year old with blood clouding his eyesight emptying a 15 
>>>>> round magazine
>>>>> into what he "thought" were the "bad guys".
>>>>
>>>> Well (:-) my grandfather well into his 70's, and maybe 
>>>> 80's, was still
>>>> hunting and using 1 bullet for 1 deer.
>>>
>>> Gosh! He didn't need a 30 round magazine and the ability 
>>> to empty it
>>> into his prey within a minute?
>>
>> I've told and Andrew have told you over and over but you 
>> just don't
>> listed.
>> So SEE BLOW for lists of firearms with exactly the same 
>> rate of fire
>> as the dreaded AR.
>> Do try to be a bit more rational in future posts.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semi-automatic_rifles
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semi-automatic_pistols
>>
>> As for those huge AR magazines see any "magazine shop" as 
>> they
>> certainly supply 5 and 10 round magazines.
> 
> To summarize:
> 
> My point was, by your description, your grandfather did not 
> need to fire 30 rounds rapidly to take down a deer. IOW, 
> that capability isn't needed for legitimate deer hunting.
> 
> Your attempted rebuttal: "Lots of guns fire rapidly."
> 
> How do you not see that your point does not rebut mine?
> 

No one is attacking or defending deer hunting as regards 2d 
Amendment.

Patiently lining up a shot on a deer is utterly and 
completely irrelevant to defending against a human threat. 
Those incidents are decided in decimals of a second not 
several deliberate minutes.

Typical event shows <2 seconds from first display of 
attacker's weapon to fatal shot in this one minute report:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2iv4bE9cLM

And deer do not return fire so subsequent rounds are 
irrelevant in almost all cases. The usual aftermath of a 
poor deer shot is long tedious tracking, not another round.

-- 
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971