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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!news.mb-net.net!open-news-network.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> Newsgroups: alt.usage.english,sci.lang Subject: Re: Sometimes I forget I was ever a child. Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:22:15 +1000 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 30 Message-ID: <vcbl8r$3feuf$1@dont-email.me> References: <f9e2d10b772b562fc69f81f258bb8a07@www.novabbs.com> <00b9eac39883529e34a04de9519ebe5e@www.novabbs.com> <a573ac18eede0afe11f705ce03ba9548@www.novabbs.com> <67c3f51f1cfb893182cd1e3ba9d68fd2@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2024 12:22:20 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="8f5a9440ee65a0cea69a5106ada6c0e9"; logging-data="3652559"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/giBhG3MuJ5jMfa+nc5XRc" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; Warp 4.5; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:1Tvd0TGrGv7VBCogA0Fk8tT9fGw= In-Reply-To: <67c3f51f1cfb893182cd1e3ba9d68fd2@www.novabbs.com> Bytes: 2572 On 17/09/24 18:57, tonbei wrote: > "ever" is an emphatic word, so here it emphasizes the quoted > sentence. If so, still what I don't know is which part is emphasized > "I forget sometimes" or "I was a child", or the whole sentence. Let's restore the original sentences. > Sometimes I forget I was ever a child. Ever young and stupid and > trusting.” ("Port Mortuary" by Patricia Cornwell, p258) I guess the point has already been made that "ever" has a different meaning in the two sentences. In the second sentence "ever" just means "always". That's the simple case. In the first sentence the negative-polarity "forget" makes the "ever" mean "at any time". (Rather than the "at every time" meaning it would have in a positive-polarity sentence.) Switching to a positive form of the statement, we get "sometimes I believe that I was never a child". The "never" and "ever" here are absolutes. In either form, the sentence is stronger than weaker forms like "I forget that I was once a child" which concede that he/she was a child for at least some of the time. So I guess the answer to your question is that "ever" emphasizes the clause "I was a child". -- Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org Newcastle, NSW