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Subject: Re: Whoops! The Atlantic Makes Trump Look EPIC In Cover Intended as a
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On 9/17/2024 12:25 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:57:42 -0700, a425couple
> <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 9/16/24 15:20, WolfFan wrote:
>>> On Sep 16, 2024, quadibloc wrote
>>> (in article<e09e6f2a9b6dd18907f3d1785e1b3ade@www.novabbs.com>):
>>>
>>>> Someone who persists in spreading lies about the Haitians of
>>>> Springfield, even after they've led to bomb threats, isn't
>>>> "epic" no matter how he is painted.
>>>>
>>>> John Savard
>>>
>>> Especially when he and JD say that there are 20,000 of them in Springfield
>>> when there are 5400 or so Haitians in the entire state of Ohio. For some
>>> reason Ohio ain’t high on the list of places Haitians want to go to.
>>
>> I think your sources are way out of date.
>> Numerous sources are citing the 20,000 figure.
> 
> In 1516, Erasmus published a critical text of the New Testament in
> Greek ("textus receptus"). It was based on the theory that, when
> "numerous sources" had a reading for a particular verse, that was the
> correct reading.
> 
> But that was poor thinking. The reason most Greek texts read, for
> example, "peace on earth, good-will towards men" is because they were
> copies of copies of relatively recent texts. The texts which read
> "peace on earth to men of good will" were older texts -- and so more
> likely to be correct. I use this example because it is arguably the
> most famous of the differences between the KJV and RSV. Entire books
> (well, pamphlets, mostly) were written on how evil the RSV was, and
> this verse was prominently featured.
> 
> And you are using the same logic. Numerous sources can cite the 20,000
> figure all they want to, it doesn't matter. What matters is what truly
> is. Even if only one source provides it. Even if that one source is
> the Federal gummint, which those pushing this lie do not trust because
> it is run by Democrats.
> 
> There is also the Vance factor: he has /admitted/ that he made the
> "eating pets" story up and claims he was justified because it was the
> only way to make it clear what immigration is doing to this country.
> Note that that is /his/ view, not mine.
> 
> IOW, he has admitted that there is no actual evidence of such harm,
> which seems ridiculous since there are a lot of immigrants and surely
> some of them are bad apples.
> 
> Given the problems his /admitted/ lie has caused, perhaps some legal
> action against him (and Trump) would be appropriate. It would, of
> course, take a long time to go anywhere, Trump being the Poster Boy,
> as it were, for Rich White Male Legal Privilege.

I actually went looking for older sources, which pre-dated the
Haitian population of Springfield becoming a political football.

I found one from October 2023:
https://www.daytondailynews.com/local/haitian-immigrants-reshaping-springfield-5-key-takeaways-from-our-reporting/YHS3UJJIMRH7RPNOBMA77DVQ6Y/

It claims '5,000 to 10,000 Haitians moved to Springfield in the
last five or six years.'

Now, its quite possible that more moved in the last 10 months,
even probable, but I don't know if 10,000 more came. But balance
that against Haiti's further descent into anarchy recently, I
wouldn't completely rule it out, either.

pt