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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2024 06:46:54 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 23 Message-ID: <vcdt0u$3vei1$2@dont-email.me> References: <memo.20240913205156.19028s@jgd.cix.co.uk> <vcd3ds$3o6ae$2@dont-email.me> <vcdmjl$3bdne$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2024 08:46:54 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="04e690265ee58abf5342f4cc1c20eee2"; logging-data="4176449"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX180e0Z9PDlUhowN/omEyE0Y" User-Agent: Pan/0.160 (Toresk; ) Cancel-Lock: sha1:5pNiiAudRg2UG7WY0g2qzgnZJ20= Bytes: 1922 On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:57:24 -0700, Stephen Fuld wrote: > On 9/17/2024 4:30 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > >> On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:51 +0100 (BST), John Dallman wrote: >> >>> Not many computer companies survive three failed architectures: has >>> that record been beaten? >> >> I think it’s fair to say that both Intel and Microsoft were companies >> more renowned for marketing prowess than actual technical brilliance. > > For some years, Intel was known for it prowess in FAB technology. After > all, they managed to make a "difficult" architecture out perform CPUs > from better architectures. Sure. By spending 10× on it what RISC-based competitors were able to. > Some time ago, they seem to have lost that FAB leadership particularly > to TSMC. And the reason? Those costs kept going up and up, while the profits from sales of x86 chips failed to keep pace.