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From: Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com>
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Subject: Re: another hint of quantum consciousness
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:07:02 -0000 (UTC)
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On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 07:59:18 -0700, john larkin wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 17:03:40 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
> <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
> 
>>On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 08:48:37 -0700, john larkin wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 16:44:58 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
>>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>On 9/15/24 12:53, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>> On a sunny day (Sun, 15 Sep 2024 15:56:16 +1000) it happened Bill
>>>>> Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
>>>>> <vc5su1$200qt$6@dont-email.me>:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 15/09/2024 1:03 pm, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:39:20 -0700, john larkin <JL@gct.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 21:18:44 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
>>>>>>>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/14/24 20:08, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:36:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
>>>>>>>>>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/14/24 17:13, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://scitechdaily.com/groundbreaking-study-affirms-
quantum-
>>basis-for-consciousness-a-paradigm-shift-in-understanding-human-nature/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting way to define consciousness, the thing that goes
>>>>>>>>>>>> away when an a general anesthetic is applied. That can be
>>>>>>>>>>>> quantified.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I paraphrase: "Since we don't know how it works, it must be
>>>>>>>>>>> quantum".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Or, more conventionally, "It can't be quantum because QM only
>>>>>>>>>> works at liquid helium temperatures."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's it then: Quantum-something is merely religion. The god
>>>>>>>>>>> of the gaps.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There's a lot of quantum nonsense about. This is just one
>>>>>>>>>>> example.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, explain how we can name one image out of maybe a million
>>>>>>>>>> stored images, in a fraction of a second.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, that's the typical comeback of religious believers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't recall invoking religion here, or calling myself a
>>>>>>>> believer. I was asking about image storage and high-speed
>>>>>>>> matching.
>>>>>>>> It's even more amazing when you consider all the optical
>>>>>>>> distortions and viewing angles and changes in illumination and
>>>>>>>> motion effects in real life; we don't match nice flat photos.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How are our collections of images stored?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When some people encounter an unwelcome idea, they call the
>>>>>>>> people that they disagree with bible bangers, and assume they
>>>>>>>> have won the argument.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't know how it works. Let's find out. AI seems to be
>>>>>>>>> getting there, and it requires no quantum theory. Just loads of
>>>>>>>>> data and a lot of matrix math.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are determined to exclude the possibility that are brains use
>>>>>>>> QM.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Given that most all physics and chemistry is fundamentally
>>>>>>>> quantum mechanical, why would evolution refuse to allow cells to
>>>>>>>> use quantum effects?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most people don't really believe in evolution.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jeroen Belleman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would be pretty good packing, storing one bit of data per atom.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://interestingengineering.com/science/wobble-nucleus-of-atom-
>>quantum-data
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> or maybe more than one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nice possibilities for quantum correlation, pattern matching, too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If evolution is that clever, why doesn't it exploit error-detecton
>>>>>> and -correction coding?
>>>>>> Bill Sloman, Sydney
>>>>> 
>>>>> It does all the time in RNA DNA I was reading this stuff this
>>>>> morning:
>>>>>   Explaning DNA organisation in chromosomes:
>>>>>   https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/09/240912135801.htm
>>>>>   http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/sstr.202400203
>>>>>    there is still a lot to learn
>>>>> 
>>>>> design something, write some code, show us.
>>>>> plenty of broken records around, not interesting.
>>
>>Bill prefers to insult others in a condescending manner. It's easier.
> 
> That's why he's here.

I'm quite proud of myself for ignoring his barbs. Must be 5 months now 
since I resolved to do so - at your request!