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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:07:02 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 118 Message-ID: <vcf1bm$4tmp$1@dont-email.me> References: <0s9bej1bhklummnn5iduadn94uvvne5k26@4ax.com> <vc4hd6$1ja6d$1@dont-email.me> <31kbejpg6dos3fdm81oq42a4rgcenu4lk1@4ax.com> <vc4ncn$1kpl3$1@dont-email.me> <hfhcej9vlqdlpef8cadk6g74lguj5nldpj@4ax.com> <vcjcejhh5qpktvu0nnf8ieb2sg5ekjdh5o@4ax.com> <vc5su1$200qt$6@dont-email.me> <vc6ean$6m7e$1@solani.org> <vc6rnd$273n7$1@dont-email.me> <2c0eejpukjpu666k7p82ief8ub61h67d5j@4ax.com> <vc741b$28u2v$2@dont-email.me> <pshgejd55aibm6hiu2ddnkiqf45tio8ja8@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:07:02 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="6fed3220f3374c0d83787cc2fcb30212"; logging-data="161497"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/s34QOXXS7MQ2pGwNsqcXhnOPqH5aCpXA=" User-Agent: Pan/0.149 (Bellevue; 4c157ba) Cancel-Lock: sha1:+2F+xaFwJhcjf+2N/IrFQ4eOYkc= Bytes: 5821 On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 07:59:18 -0700, john larkin wrote: > On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 17:03:40 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom > <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote: > >>On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 08:48:37 -0700, john larkin wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 16:44:58 +0200, Jeroen Belleman >>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote: >>> >>>>On 9/15/24 12:53, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>>> On a sunny day (Sun, 15 Sep 2024 15:56:16 +1000) it happened Bill >>>>> Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in >>>>> <vc5su1$200qt$6@dont-email.me>: >>>>> >>>>>> On 15/09/2024 1:03 pm, john larkin wrote: >>>>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:39:20 -0700, john larkin <JL@gct.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 21:18:44 +0200, Jeroen Belleman >>>>>>>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 9/14/24 20:08, john larkin wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:36:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman >>>>>>>>>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 9/14/24 17:13, john larkin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://scitechdaily.com/groundbreaking-study-affirms- quantum- >>basis-for-consciousness-a-paradigm-shift-in-understanding-human-nature/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting way to define consciousness, the thing that goes >>>>>>>>>>>> away when an a general anesthetic is applied. That can be >>>>>>>>>>>> quantified. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I paraphrase: "Since we don't know how it works, it must be >>>>>>>>>>> quantum". >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Or, more conventionally, "It can't be quantum because QM only >>>>>>>>>> works at liquid helium temperatures." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That's it then: Quantum-something is merely religion. The god >>>>>>>>>>> of the gaps. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There's a lot of quantum nonsense about. This is just one >>>>>>>>>>> example. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well, explain how we can name one image out of maybe a million >>>>>>>>>> stored images, in a fraction of a second. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, that's the typical comeback of religious believers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't recall invoking religion here, or calling myself a >>>>>>>> believer. I was asking about image storage and high-speed >>>>>>>> matching. >>>>>>>> It's even more amazing when you consider all the optical >>>>>>>> distortions and viewing angles and changes in illumination and >>>>>>>> motion effects in real life; we don't match nice flat photos. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How are our collections of images stored? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When some people encounter an unwelcome idea, they call the >>>>>>>> people that they disagree with bible bangers, and assume they >>>>>>>> have won the argument. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't know how it works. Let's find out. AI seems to be >>>>>>>>> getting there, and it requires no quantum theory. Just loads of >>>>>>>>> data and a lot of matrix math. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You are determined to exclude the possibility that are brains use >>>>>>>> QM. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Given that most all physics and chemistry is fundamentally >>>>>>>> quantum mechanical, why would evolution refuse to allow cells to >>>>>>>> use quantum effects? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Most people don't really believe in evolution. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jeroen Belleman >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It would be pretty good packing, storing one bit of data per atom. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://interestingengineering.com/science/wobble-nucleus-of-atom- >>quantum-data >>>>>>> >>>>>>> or maybe more than one. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nice possibilities for quantum correlation, pattern matching, too. >>>>>> >>>>>> If evolution is that clever, why doesn't it exploit error-detecton >>>>>> and -correction coding? >>>>>> Bill Sloman, Sydney >>>>> >>>>> It does all the time in RNA DNA I was reading this stuff this >>>>> morning: >>>>> Explaning DNA organisation in chromosomes: >>>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/09/240912135801.htm >>>>> http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/sstr.202400203 >>>>> there is still a lot to learn >>>>> >>>>> design something, write some code, show us. >>>>> plenty of broken records around, not interesting. >> >>Bill prefers to insult others in a condescending manner. It's easier. > > That's why he's here. I'm quite proud of myself for ignoring his barbs. Must be 5 months now since I resolved to do so - at your request!