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From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
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Subject: Re: Dead Vermont cyclist
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2025 14:38:12 -0400
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On Sat, 15 Mar 2025 14:02:49 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 3/15/2025 9:02 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>> On 15 Mar 2025 10:03:53 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 22:47:32 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/14/2025 4:37 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 15:10:40 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/14/2025 1:25 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 11:44:15 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nope, I'm not sympathetic. What rule could be more fundamental than
>>>>>>>>>> "Don't hit someone walking (or bicycling) with your car"?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And if killing someone with your car isn't sufficient for forbidding
>>>>>>>>>> future driving, what would be?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is the permission to drive really more important than a person's life?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Isn't there a law against riding your bicycle in the path of a moving
>>>>>>>>> car?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What nonsense!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh well, go ahead and do it....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do it all the time. I did it many times on today's ride, as usual. I'm
>>>>>> not nearly as fearful or as ignorant of the law as you are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Man up, if you can.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm pretty sure that if I ride into the path of fast moving vehicles
>>>>> and get hit, it'd be my own fault.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>> Soloman
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is world of difference between riding on a road, as one should be
>>>> able to so, and other users of the road as every have to adjust to others
>>>> using the road, back in wales I can encounter all manner of vehicles and
>>>> animals!
>>>>
>>>> Even in london and areas around get
>>>> pedestrians/scooters/bikes/horses/motorbikes/milk
>>>> floats/vans/buses/lorries.
>>>>
>>>> All of which will use the roads in different ways, unless it?s a motorway
>>>> where all traffic is broadly traveling same speeds.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>
>>> Of course I'm not arguing against riding on streets and roads. I do it
>>> regularly. Buit just like in a vehicle, moving into the path of a
>>> faster moving vehicle might not be a good idea.
>>>
>>>   
>>> At 30 mph you need roughly 120 feet to come to a complete stop (65
>>> feet to react and 55 feet to brake) in good conditions.
>>>   
>>> At 60 mph you need roughly 360 feet to come to a complete stop (130
>>> feet to react and 190 feet to brake) in good conditions.
>>>
>>> https://zutobi.com/us/driver-guides/reaction-braking-stopping-distance
>>>
>>> --
>>> C'est bon
>>> Soloman
>>>
>> 
>> Don’t think Frank would have issue with that, only pushback I guess being
>> folks speeding or not driving to the conditions, but in general do need to
>> take into account oncoming traffic and that you have a gap to pull
>> into/cross safely.
>Let's please recall that Mr. Tricycle Rider's original statement was 
>"Isn't there a law against riding your bicycle in the path of a moving
>car?"
>
>Note he did NOT say "pull out suddenly into the path of a moving car." 
>He may now be pretending he said that, or he may have been thinking that 
>while unable to express himself correctly. But his original statement 
>applied to any bicyclist riding in a normal position on a normal road 
>with a moving car somewhere behind him.

No, "in the path" quite clearly means where the vehicle is going to
be.

>And Mr. Tricycle may indeed +be terrified of that! He did say, long ago, 
>that "Nothing can make [it] safe..." Which is why he rides almost 
>entirely back and forth on a flat Florida bike path. (Boring!)
>
>I think everyone else here rides on normal roads almost all the time, 
>with no great fears.

Indeed, "Nothing can make bicycling among truck and car traffic safe.
I very seldom do it anymore."
--Catrike Rider.

"Nearly 1,000 bicyclists die and over 130,000 are injured in crashes
that occur on roads in the United States every year.
https://www.cdc.gov/pedestrian-bike-safety/about/bicycle-safety.html

--
C'est bon
Soloman