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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2024 13:29:31 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 16 Message-ID: <vcnabb$1nlod$3@dont-email.me> References: <memo.20240913205156.19028s@jgd.cix.co.uk> <vcd3ds$3o6ae$2@dont-email.me> <2935676af968e40e7cad204d40cafdcf@www.novabbs.org> <vcd7pr$3op6a$3@dont-email.me> <a20365f1bdcad769edd9e1f840edb2fe@www.novabbs.org> <vcda96$3p3a7$2@dont-email.me> <21028ed32d20f0eea9a754fafdb64e45@www.novabbs.org> <RECGO.45463$xO0f.22925@fx48.iad> <20240918190027.00003e4e@yahoo.com> <vcfp2q$8glq$5@dont-email.me> <jwv34lumjz7.fsf-monnier+comp.arch@gnu.org> <vckpkg$18k7r$2@dont-email.me> <vckqus$18j12$2@dont-email.me> <vclvsa$1hf82$6@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2024 22:29:32 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="9fabd7f027d8f87c91e752d958126e44"; logging-data="1824525"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19Y3XLs7yidO2NP2oo0rSKOtckXUsS1LX4=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:XCb6pCNaRbqD7xgGg0Cnv0XsShE= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vclvsa$1hf82$6@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2399 On 9/21/2024 1:24 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 14:54:36 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: > >> I had this crazy idea of putting cpus right on the ram. > > Not so crazy. I can remember things like this being discussed back in the > 1980s. I think the Transputer had a similar idea. > > What seems to have happened since is that individual CPUs are being > matched up with more and more RAM. CPU's that are hyper close to the memory is good wrt locality. However, the programming for it might turn some programmers off. NUMA like for sure. Some "people" say if its not sequentially consistent, its crap. I always wondered if they were trolling a bit. Anyway... This brings up old memories about people saying that membars are for crazy people! ;^o