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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!news.in-chemnitz.de!news.swapon.de!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2024 02:12:31 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 21 Message-ID: <vcnuef$1vkui$6@dont-email.me> References: <memo.20240913205156.19028s@jgd.cix.co.uk> <vcd3ds$3o6ae$2@dont-email.me> <2935676af968e40e7cad204d40cafdcf@www.novabbs.org> <vcd7pr$3op6a$3@dont-email.me> <a20365f1bdcad769edd9e1f840edb2fe@www.novabbs.org> <vcda96$3p3a7$2@dont-email.me> <21028ed32d20f0eea9a754fafdb64e45@www.novabbs.org> <RECGO.45463$xO0f.22925@fx48.iad> <20240918190027.00003e4e@yahoo.com> <vcfp2q$8glq$5@dont-email.me> <jwv34lumjz7.fsf-monnier+comp.arch@gnu.org> <vckpkg$18k7r$2@dont-email.me> <vckqus$18j12$2@dont-email.me> <vclvsa$1hf82$6@dont-email.me> <vcnabb$1nlod$3@dont-email.me> <vcnl6g$1p6a3$4@dont-email.me> <20240922025721.00002910@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2024 04:12:32 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f08cca55e0d941314925e901504a6690"; logging-data="2085842"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19oPSPY2Srt/mTkoxF9E+ka" User-Agent: Pan/0.160 (Toresk; ) Cancel-Lock: sha1:G3VMKO+zMtNs743WAXbyUBtgKoI= Bytes: 2426 On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 02:57:21 +0300, Michael S wrote: > On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 23:34:40 -0000 (UTC) >> > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 13:29:31 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: >> >> > CPU's that are hyper close to the memory is good wrt locality. >> > However, the programming for it might turn some programmers off. >> > NUMA like for sure. >> >> I’m pretty sure those multi-million-node Linux supers that fill the top >> of the Top500 list have a NUMA-style memory-addressing model. > > You are wrong. > Last ccNuma was pushed out of top100 more than a decade ago. > All top machines today are MPP or clusters. > Not that a diffference between the two is well-defined. If the difference is not “well-defined”, then how can I be “wrong”?