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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written Subject: Re: Whoops! The Atlantic Makes Trump Look EPIC In Cover Intended as a Smear Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2024 00:13:19 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 23 Message-ID: <vco91g$23342$1@dont-email.me> References: <20240913a@crcomp.net> <cicbejl8f1hppk447ao6jq1n295sj386f1@4ax.com> <pcgeejhh5j013bn1iqo15i5cod7267j15j@4ax.com> <20240915a@crcomp.net> <vc8hcj$2m25s$1@dont-email.me> <20240916a@crcomp.net> <92767bb42bc741f813f2a5a131e0ce5e@www.novabbs.com> <vcd5e0$3ognu$3@dont-email.me> <7mCGO.45460$xO0f.10030@fx48.iad> <ceff4cd0-7f16-0f42-588b-374e89acf00c@example.net> <vcfq1i$8o8k$2@dont-email.me> <vcfrjp$93hf$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2024 07:13:21 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="9a963c36913049288db6c3529d759bea"; logging-data="2198658"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX180hHPFRxf77+yYXu/b/OS2Stct8cTntBA=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:JUuHK4qRey3Nywu9o5KIE3GfASs= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vcfrjp$93hf$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2368 On 9/18/2024 7:35 PM, William Hyde wrote: .... >> Chemical saturation limits EVERYTHING but is rarely taken into account. > > I take it you mean saturation in the IR spectrum. If you have some > other intent with "chemical" saturation, please enlighten us. > > Radiative transfer calculations, to which you seem to be referring, > take into account the known laws of physics. "Saturation" is not some > add-on to these laws but a consequence of them. > > Alas for us, "saturation" does not limit greenhouse warming for several > reasons, not least of which is that the atmosphere is not saturated, and > will not soon be saturated, over most of the emission spectrum. > > William Hyde If the atmosphere never reached saturation then it would never rain or snow. Those are just the obvious atmospheric saturation limits. There are many more that cause discontinuities in all models. Lynn