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From: Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk>
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Subject: Re: Hotmail account
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2024 18:49:06 +0100
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Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2024-09-13, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2024-09-13, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-09-12, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-09-12, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I use iOS 16.7.10 Mail app with a Microsoft Hotmail account. MS
>>>>>>>> insist on "modern authentication methods" and keep telling me that
>>>>>>>> my account won't be accessible after September 16th with just user
>>>>>>>> name and password. I have to get an app with "modern authentication
>>>>>>>> methods"!  What the devil are those? And will Mail app have them?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You could try following Microsoft's instructions:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/modern-authentication-methods-now-needed-to-continue-syncing-outlook-email-in-non-microsoft-email-apps-c5d65390-9676-4763-b41f-d7986499a90d>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's all a question of using OAuth2 authentication.  I hope iOS Mail
>>>>>> will incorporate this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thunderbird under Windows does. I won't have to delete the account and
>>>>>> reset it up there. I just change to OAuth2. A good guide for Apple to
>>>>>> follow.
>>>>>
>>>>> You didn't scroll down far enough. There are instructions for Apple Mail
>>>>> on that same page.
>>>>
>>>> You didn't read my post properly.
>>>> I don't have to delete the account with Thunderbird, but I do with Apple
>>>> Mail, at least according to that website.
>>>
>>> You're acting like deleting and recreating the account is a big hassle
>>> when it isn't. Sure, it'd be nice to just toggle a switch, but doing it
>>> the way Microsoft recommends isn't some horribly laborious task either.
>>
>> Not laborious, but seemingly excessive; especially compared with
>> T.bird's far simpler method of switching to OAuth2.
>> The latter seems user-friendly, the Apple way doesn't, given that the
>> change is merely to OAuth2 authentication.
> 
> I guess if it were me, I'd submit feedback about it.
> 
>> Remember that iPads are owned by lots and lots of people who are far
>> from computer-savvy. They'll have to note down all the account details,
>> re-input them all carefully; and, if there are many like some of my
>> clients, they'll stumble a few times.
> 
> It would be interesting to know how many of them are still using
> Hotmail.
> 

It's now the 23rd, and Mail still works fine although I've altered nothing.
BTW, Skull-and-Crossbones, Hotmail has long been subsumed into MS 
Outlook, and there are myriads of email accounts under that banner.

Ed