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From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
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Subject: Re: Extensive article on Rivendell and Grant Petersen
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2024 15:24:21 -0500
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On 9/23/2024 2:51 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 19:35:41 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 13:54:09 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/23/2024 11:18 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/22/2024 4:20 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not a Rivendell rider, and probably never will be. But I have great
>>>>>> respect for many of Grant's ideas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ideas like: Bicycling should be about much more than always trying to
>>>>>> either go faster or "train" (for what?). Like him, I value technological
>>>>>> simplicity and versatility. I believe that most of the annual
>>>>>> "improvements" that manufacturers dream up and _Buycycling_ magazine
>>>>>> promotes are of no significant benefit to the customer/rider but instead
>>>>>> help the industry push more stuff out the door. And I like being
>>>>>> involved with the bike, and knowing how every bit of it works. That's as
>>>>>> opposed to, say, pushing an electrical button and having some
>>>>>> incomprehensible system shift my gears for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> YMMV of course.
>>>>>>
>>>>> What one retro grouch likes another! Gosh! ;)
>>>>
>>>> It's natural for people who share preferences to approve of each other.
>>>> I'm sure it happens among people who would never dare ride any bike
>>>> that's not up to the latest trendy fashion craze!
>>>>
>>>>> I say that for a time ie road bikes where fairly narrow use, mainly down to
>>>>> the naff all tire clearances my new commute road bike with rim brakes and
>>>>> budgets kit, managed absolutely fine down some of the gravel roads down to
>>>>> the Cheese Market. Somewhat pinged about, as 32mm even if a good wide road
>>>>> tire is somewhat narrow for such surfaces ie old track down hill, plus the
>>>>> occasional cobblestone thrown in!
>>>>
>>>> IOW, your somewhat less trendy bike did fine for you.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Basically more modern bikes are more adaptable with wider tires and gear
>>>>> ranges, and disk brakes which certainly cope wet, and more steep stuff
>>>>> better.
>>>>>
>>>>> And certainly 1by setups are more simple ie just one shifter and so on,
>>>>> though road bikes in general tend to towards doubles than 1by.
>>>> Those two paragraphs are echoing the latest advertising themes.
>>>>
>>>> It's good that the pendulum has finally swung back to reasonable tire
>>>> clearance. But billions of cyclists are still stopping plenty well
>>>> enough with rim brakes, even when they're wet.
>>>>
>>>> And millions of "sport" cyclists are still unconfused by (gosh!) two
>>>> front chainrings instead of one. (Some of us even have three!) As a
>>>> bonus, most with >1 chainring get more gear range than they'd otherwise
>>>> have, and without resorting to unusual or proprietary equipment.
>>>
>>>
>>> It appears that the pros are slowly moving toward disk brakes,
>>> regardless of them being heavier and taking more time to change a
>>> wheel. You can say that the average riders doesn't benefit, but that's
>>> just you saying it.
>>>
>>> --
>>> C'est bon
>>> Soloman
>>>
>>
>> I believe road pros are universally disk brakes, I’d suggest that as with
>> adoption that disks make less sense for Pros than the Average Cyclist which
>> was born out by the drive for disks coming from the consumer market, than
>> been trickle down technology from the Pros which is one way the Market has
>> changed.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
> 
> I think the road cycling professional teams get whatever they want...
> and apparently, they want disk brakes. Were I an average road cyclist,
> I'd choose what the pros choose. From what I've seen, the average road
> cyclists are not content unless their steaming.. They can't do what
> the pros do, but they're doing the best they can to match them. I saw
> an awful lot of 20/25/even 30 MPH guys Yesterday.
> 
> --
> C'est bon
> Soloman

More complex than that.  Pros certainly do sometimes run 
non-Team gear (famous examples of not-Team frames with Team 
graphics) but the sponsors get an even stronger vote; Pros 
ride what the sponsor needs to sell, mostly.

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Andrew Muzi
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