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Subject: Re: Extensive article on Rivendell and Grant Petersen
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On 9/23/2024 3:35 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 13:54:09 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/23/2024 11:18 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 9/22/2024 4:20 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not a Rivendell rider, and probably never will be. But I have great
>>>>> respect for many of Grant's ideas.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ideas like: Bicycling should be about much more than always trying to
>>>>> either go faster or "train" (for what?). Like him, I value technological
>>>>> simplicity and versatility. I believe that most of the annual
>>>>> "improvements" that manufacturers dream up and _Buycycling_ magazine
>>>>> promotes are of no significant benefit to the customer/rider but instead
>>>>> help the industry push more stuff out the door. And I like being
>>>>> involved with the bike, and knowing how every bit of it works. That's as
>>>>> opposed to, say, pushing an electrical button and having some
>>>>> incomprehensible system shift my gears for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> YMMV of course.
>>>>>
>>>> What one retro grouch likes another! Gosh! ;)
>>>
>>> It's natural for people who share preferences to approve of each other.
>>> I'm sure it happens among people who would never dare ride any bike
>>> that's not up to the latest trendy fashion craze!
>>>
>>>> I say that for a time ie road bikes where fairly narrow use, mainly down to
>>>> the naff all tire clearances my new commute road bike with rim brakes and
>>>> budgets kit, managed absolutely fine down some of the gravel roads down to
>>>> the Cheese Market. Somewhat pinged about, as 32mm even if a good wide road
>>>> tire is somewhat narrow for such surfaces ie old track down hill, plus the
>>>> occasional cobblestone thrown in!
>>>
>>> IOW, your somewhat less trendy bike did fine for you.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Basically more modern bikes are more adaptable with wider tires and gear
>>>> ranges, and disk brakes which certainly cope wet, and more steep stuff
>>>> better.
>>>>
>>>> And certainly 1by setups are more simple ie just one shifter and so on,
>>>> though road bikes in general tend to towards doubles than 1by.
>>> Those two paragraphs are echoing the latest advertising themes.
>>>
>>> It's good that the pendulum has finally swung back to reasonable tire
>>> clearance. But billions of cyclists are still stopping plenty well
>>> enough with rim brakes, even when they're wet.
>>>
>>> And millions of "sport" cyclists are still unconfused by (gosh!) two
>>> front chainrings instead of one. (Some of us even have three!) As a
>>> bonus, most with >1 chainring get more gear range than they'd otherwise
>>> have, and without resorting to unusual or proprietary equipment.
>>
>>
>> It appears that the pros are slowly moving toward disk brakes,
>> regardless of them being heavier and taking more time to change a
>> wheel. You can say that the average riders doesn't benefit, but that's
>> just you saying it.
>>
>> --
>> C'est bon
>> Soloman
>>
> 
> I believe road pros are universally disk brakes,

That's correct. It's exceptionally rare to see rim brakes in a 
professional peloton anymore, but there are some exceptions. Team Sky 
was one of the last to switch over, and did so a few years ago, but IIRC 
I think it might be Bahrain Victorious has a rim-brake spec'd bike for 
2024, though only for specific races.

Disk brakes do work better. The issue is whether or not your average 
recreational/sport rider can actually tell the difference - for the most 
part that answer is no (we're talking road riding here, not MTB). For 
someone to be able to really feel the difference, they need to be 
pushing the envelope downhill and repeatedly using the brakes - as in an 
alpine road with a lot of switchbacks. I read an article a few years ago 
that interviewed Paolo Salvodelli about disc brakes after he had 
retired. Paolo was a top level UCI pro who rode for Saeco for many 
years. He was nicknamed "Il Falcone" for his descending prowess. His 
comment was that he wished he had disc brakes when he was racing because 
'no one would have been able to stay with me' (or something like that). 
I've searched for that article but it isn't popping up for me.


> I’d suggest that as with
> adoption that disks make less sense for Pros than the Average Cyclist which
> was born out by the drive for disks coming from the consumer market, than
> been trickle down technology from the Pros which is one way the Market has
> changed.
> 
> Roger Merriman
> 


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