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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2024 08:17:30 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 26 Message-ID: <vctlhr$33okb$2@dont-email.me> References: <memo.20240913205156.19028s@jgd.cix.co.uk> <vcd3ds$3o6ae$2@dont-email.me> <2935676af968e40e7cad204d40cafdcf@www.novabbs.org> <2024Sep18.074007@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <vcds4i$3vato$1@dont-email.me> <2024Sep18.220953@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <vcfopr$8glq$3@dont-email.me> <ll232oFs6asU1@mid.individual.net> <vcgo74$gkr1$3@dont-email.me> <ll2n1hFu4lmU1@mid.individual.net> <vchu2q$mfu5$1@dont-email.me> <vcm0eh$1hf82$9@dont-email.me> <vcn0e5$1mb84$1@dont-email.me> <vcn3ch$1mp6e$1@dont-email.me> <20240922114808.000001f9@yahoo.com> <868qvj96lx.fsf@linuxsc.com> <a7c643d502d94c5cf51906e4b41fa0ff@www.novabbs.org> <vcrgfg$2lnor$5@dont-email.me> <vct2vs$2tic0$14@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2024 08:17:31 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="295059a1925683a809cfd14e600ca3af"; logging-data="3269259"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18RB/yChwU52fARsprsBdqLs3hTm2ivkHA=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:bmHwEd11OJDpHNL4fYmmf/dX7XY= In-Reply-To: <vct2vs$2tic0$14@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-GB Bytes: 2993 On 24/09/2024 03:00, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 10:38:40 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig wrote: > >> (Among thers, he left out turbulence, where we have some understanding, >> but do not yet understand the Navier-Stokes equations - one of the >> Millenium Problems). > > I thought the problem with Navier-Stokes is that it assumes > infinitesimally-small particles of fluid, whereas we know that real fluids > are made up of atoms and molecules. > > Remember how Max Planck solved the black-body problem? He knew all about > the previous approach of assuming that matter was made up of little > oscillators, and then trying to work out the limiting behaviour as the > size of those oscillators approached zero -- that didn’t work. So his > breakthrough was in assuming that the oscillators did *not* approach zero > in size, but had some minimum nonzero size. Et voilà ... he got a curve > that actually matched the known behaviour of radiating bodies. And laid > one of the foundation stones of quantum theory in the process. > > Seems a similar thing could be done with Navier-Stokes ... ? Without knowing the history of work on Navier-Stokes, I am /reasonably/ confident that mathematicians have thought about this and tried it.