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On 9/24/24 08:22, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 18:35:57 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 9/23/2024 8:44 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>> On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 08:48:57 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
>>> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/21/2024 10:42 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>>> On 9/21/24 17:55, Cryptoengineer wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/21/2024 4:49 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/21/24 11:11, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>>>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> writes:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/21/2024 8:01 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 16:00:55 -0500, Lynn McGuire
>>>>>>>>>>> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Australia is buying several Virgina class attack submarines from
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> USA.  One wonders what armament those subs will have.
>>>>>>>>>>>>        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia-class_submarine
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yup - but there's a huge difference between using a nuclear
>>>>>>>>>>> reactor to
>>>>>>>>>>> boil steam to drive turbines which drive the sub (which is the usual
>>>>>>>>>>> propulsion method in nuclear submarines) and submarines carrying
>>>>>>>>>>> nuclear weapons (usually missiles). SSBNs are almost always nuclear
>>>>>>>>>>> powered but carry nuclear missiles as opposed to SSNs which refers
>>>>>>>>>>> only to the propulsion system.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> SSNs carry Tomahawks.  Look up TLAM-N.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tomahawks have a much shorter range and smaller payload capacity than
>>>>>>>>> the strategic missiles carried by SSBNs.  The nukes on Tomahawks are
>>>>>>>>> "tactical" warheads, not city killers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hiroshima was 15kt.   It doesn't take much.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        That bomb was barely functional and did not begin to realize
>>>>>>> its power but still was a horror unleashed on a largely wooden city
>>>>>>> and totally unsuspecting citizens. Read last "Train from Hiroshima"
>>>>>>> by the way it went to Nagasaki. The Nagasaki bomb functioned better
>>>>>>> but was mistargeted.  Still horrible times for the populations.
>>>>>>> But it has some descriptions of the hell world after the bombing
>>>>>>> that are more vivid than the descriptions in the next item.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        About Hiroshima there is a classic manga by a young man who
>>>>>>> survived as a child protected by a stone wall from a blast that
>>>>>>> evaporated his teacher standing by.
>>>>>>>        "Gen of Hiroshima", "Barefoot Gen", and "I saw it" are some of
>>>>>>> titles used but Keiji Nakazawa, recently deceased was the author. He
>>>>>>> lost his whole family.  His father was very unpopular because of his
>>>>>>> out-spoken pacifism and i believe that Keiji Nakazawa has a particular
>>>>>>> POV.  Gen was widely translated and distributed by the anti-nuclear
>>>>>>> and peace movements.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its a member of a fairly small list of books and films about the actual
>>>>>> effects of nuclear war, as opposed to using one to set up a Mad Max type
>>>>>> scenario.
>>>>>>
>>>>>    > Gen of Hiroshima
>>>>>     I have seen watched it once and have a file of it here.
>>>>>        The manga goes on from the end of the film and
>>>>> it runs to 12 volumes. Whenever I see volume 1 at the
>>>>> SFPL-main I will pick it up and begin to re-read the
>>>>> story, I have read it at least twice and if I had more
>>>>> money and more room I would have my own set.
>>>>>> Threads
>>>>>> The War Game
>>>>>> The Day After
>>>>>
>>>>>        I think I have seen this on late night TV. Not too
>>>>> impressive. It might be time to tranlate "Last Train
>>>>> from Hiroshima" from text into a Live Action film with the
>>>>> special effects now available.
>>>>>
>>>> In development at 20th Century Fox.
>>>
>>> I happened, a while back to run across two anime films set in the late
>>> war/post-war eras.
>>>
>>> One was about the inhabitants of an island that was occupied by the
>>> Soviets.
>>>
>>> The other was about people who lived near Hiroshima.
>>>
>>> To me, it looked like two efforts to come to grips with the past. Is
>>> that, by any chance, a "thing" in current Japanese culture?
>>>
>>> To which /Godzilla Minus One/ could be added, as it is set in the same
>>> time frame. Although clearly not entirely realistic; but at least it's
>>> more or less on topic.
>>
>> Sort of.  The Original Godzilla movies were part of the same thing.  And
>> there are limits on Japanese military activities written into their
>> constitutions IIRC.  (Which were recently loosened because of the
>> increasing threats from China, Russia and North Korea.)  The loss of WW2
>> and the associated mass destruction, not just from the nukes but there
>> were a sharp poke in the eye, has had a traumatic effect on Japanese
>> culture.  Not really a surprise.
> 
> I don't doubt it, and don't forget the fire-bombing of Tokyo, which
> killed more civilians than /either/ atomic bomb. Just took longer.
> 
> But, having seen three films set in this general period fairly
> recently, I was asking if there is /currently/ a focus on
> understanding that part of their past?

	On the part of some artists but the Right Wing in Japan
is as insane as the RWNJ of the USA. They still venerate war
criminals at Yakasuni shrine and try to obfuscate the role
of "comfort women" during wW II. And if the artists trying to
deal with the Pacific War gets too much publicity they try
to silence them.  But "History of Showa Japan" by Shigero Muzuki
covers a lot of the mistakes made in its 4 volume manga of
about 800 parges each. Good reading and pretty good narative
art. It does have some errors in calculation from the
translation apparently regarding the length of the reign
of the emperor preceding Showa (aka reign of Hirohito).

	bliss

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