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Subject: Re: Extensive article on Rivendell and Grant Petersen
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On 9/24/2024 4:15 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 9/24/2024 2:59 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>> On 9/24/2024 2:17 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 9/24/2024 12:01 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>> On 9/24/2024 10:37 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 9/24/2024 5:48 AM, sms wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even racers have now switched to disc brakes. There's 
>>>>>> a tiny weigh penalty but that is offset by improved 
>>>>>> aerodynamics. 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> All my bikes since about 1970 have always had caliper 
>>>>> brakes. I continue to ride caliper brake bikes with no 
>>>>> problems. I see no reason to change to something that's 
>>>>> more complex.
>>>>>
>>>>> So can we do a poll? How many here no longer use any 
>>>>> bikes except those with disc brakes? How many are still 
>>>>> somehow surviving with (horrors!) caliper brakes?
>>>>
>>>> we get it frank, you don't like disc brakes, you think 
>>>> they're overly complex for their purpose, and don't 
>>>> provide enough of an advantage over rim brakes.
>>>>
>>>> That's fine for you, all reasonably valid rationalizations.
>>>>
>>>> Some people prefer discs for equally valid 
>>>> rationalizations: They provide better braking power with 
>>>> equal if not better modulation, they work better in the 
>>>> rain, snow/ice, and muck (none of which are exclusive to 
>>>> off-road riding). That said, No one is going to agree 
>>>> with your implication that they provide no benefit to 
>>>> anyone except those pushing performance to the extremes. 
>>>> Disc brakes simply work better - that you may not 
>>>> experience that in your riding style is specific to you.
>>>>
>>>> Both my mountain bikes are disc. One came that way and 
>>>> the other I converted. It's one of the best equipment 
>>>> decisions I've ever made.
>>>>
>>>> All of my road bikes are rim brakes. I haven't converted 
>>>> any of them for a couple of very good reasons:
>>>> - I currently have 4 road bikes that I ride on a regular 
>>>> basis* and seven wheelsets. I don't need another bike 
>>>> right now.
>>>> - I can mix and match wheels with bikes as necessary. 
>>>> Having one bike with discs would limit that as well as 
>>>> needing to have a spare wheelset.
>>>>
>>>> As you point out, discs don't provide enough of an 
>>>> advantage on the road for me to spend $10K on a new 
>>>> complete bike, plus a Spare wheelset. Let's not forget 
>>>> the 'evolution' of wheel retention technologies, further 
>>>> limiting compatibility. Disc brakes won't offer a rider 
>>>> at my level enough of a performance advantage to justify 
>>>> the expense.
>>>>
>>>> However, If I was in a situation where I  wanted or 
>>>> needed a new bike, I wouldn't hesitate to buy a decent 
>>>> racing machine with disc brakes. They _do_ work better, 
>>>> and having ridden newer bikes with disc brakes, I know I 
>>>> won't be disappointed with the decision.
>>>
>>> Having read that post twice, I can say: Thanks for a post 
>>> that almost entirely agrees with my positions!
>>
>> With a diametrically opposed attitude
> 
> I'm sure Andrew thinks that's just fine!   ;-)
> 

Indeed Mr Zen Funk covered the issues well IMHO.

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Andrew Muzi
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