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Path: ...!npeer.as286.net!npeer-ng0.as286.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2024 23:43:32 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 17 Message-ID: <vcvir4$3co45$2@dont-email.me> References: <memo.20240913205156.19028s@jgd.cix.co.uk> <vcd3ds$3o6ae$2@dont-email.me> <2935676af968e40e7cad204d40cafdcf@www.novabbs.org> <vcd7pr$3op6a$3@dont-email.me> <a20365f1bdcad769edd9e1f840edb2fe@www.novabbs.org> <vcda96$3p3a7$2@dont-email.me> <21028ed32d20f0eea9a754fafdb64e45@www.novabbs.org> <RECGO.45463$xO0f.22925@fx48.iad> <20240918190027.00003e4e@yahoo.com> <vcfp2q$8glq$5@dont-email.me> <jwv34lumjz7.fsf-monnier+comp.arch@gnu.org> <vckpkg$18k7r$2@dont-email.me> <vckqus$18j12$2@dont-email.me> <vclvsa$1hf82$6@dont-email.me> <vcnabb$1nlod$3@dont-email.me> <vcnl6g$1p6a3$4@dont-email.me> <20240922025721.00002910@yahoo.com> <vcnuef$1vkui$6@dont-email.me> <20240922103416.00004648@yahoo.com> <vct232$2tic0$8@dont-email.me> <vct931$329pe$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 01:43:32 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d676190ddbdcb7173a64dc657b0df900"; logging-data="3563653"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19Wx2xQcmbLeUc6hhoNygFW" User-Agent: Pan/0.160 (Toresk; ) Cancel-Lock: sha1:bii5Xqdul2gp45yBH0jVDTM94d4= Bytes: 2415 On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 19:44:49 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: > On 9/23/2024 5:45 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > >> On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 10:34:16 +0300, Michael S wrote: >> >>> The difference between MPP and cluster is not well-defined. >>> The difference between ccNUMA and MPP-or-cluster is crystal clear. >> >> If memory on other nodes were made directly addressable via hardware >> that implemented something like a message-passing bus, suddenly the >> difference is not so clear. > > I guess the idea is to try to design things that try to minimize that > down to a bare minimum, if at all... Keep things as local as possible? Hence NUMA.