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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 00:08:08 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 24 Message-ID: <vcvk98$3co45$10@dont-email.me> References: <memo.20240913205156.19028s@jgd.cix.co.uk> <vcd3ds$3o6ae$2@dont-email.me> <2935676af968e40e7cad204d40cafdcf@www.novabbs.org> <2024Sep18.074007@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <vcds4i$3vato$1@dont-email.me> <2024Sep18.220953@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <vcfopr$8glq$3@dont-email.me> <ll232oFs6asU1@mid.individual.net> <vcgr9d$gndp$2@dont-email.me> <vch06v$hq45$1@dont-email.me> <vci30n$n38u$4@dont-email.me> <ll3lmnF5eg1U1@mid.individual.net> <vcvdb8$3c0is$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 02:08:09 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d676190ddbdcb7173a64dc657b0df900"; logging-data="3563653"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX188QXOy/x6h+9v50Wg2e39X" User-Agent: Pan/0.160 (Toresk; ) Cancel-Lock: sha1:0dp/oGCQ76QE6GUQoybTkkn8q5c= Bytes: 2734 On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 17:08:25 -0500, BGB wrote: > Or if quantum computing can give answers "better" than classical > computers using non-brute-force algorithms. This is why it’s worth distinguishing between “digital” and “analog” computers. Analog computers were quite popular in the earlier part of the 20th century, back when digital computers were still quite slow. They could come up with quick answers to physical-simulation problems, albeit to limited accuracy. For example, the Apollo Saturn-V rocket was controlled by a hybrid digital/analog computer system created by IBM, housed in the ring that coupled the third stage to the upper part with the CSM and LEM. The digital part computed where the rocket was supposed to go, but it could only solve the equations about once a second or so; it fed these numbers to the analog part, which could adjust the direction and thrust of the engines much more quickly than that, to keep the whole vehicle functioning properly and on course from millisecond to millisecond. But anyway, the current “quantum” computers have shown some success solving “analog” style problems, but even the simplest “digital” type operation, namely something involving factorizing integers, has so far completely eluded them.