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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mike Van Pelt <usenet@mikevanpelt.com> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written Subject: Re: Whoops! The Atlantic Makes Trump Look EPIC In Cover Intended as a Smear Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 02:56:13 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 42 Message-ID: <vcvu4d$3hnv8$1@dont-email.me> References: <20240913a@crcomp.net> <ceff4cd0-7f16-0f42-588b-374e89acf00c@example.net> <vcfq1i$8o8k$2@dont-email.me> <eef9e921-3ea3-76ee-39de-e34ac66733e4@example.net> Injection-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 04:56:14 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="6ad4994c02623980e914567900fb0505"; logging-data="3727336"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+R2LejEkK+VPOD4rIbiFSziK/NMqdAxM8=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:Aw78kcBCiGcVG3BEaBUDs2B24KU= X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test77 (Sep 1, 2010) Originator: mike@Mike-Laptop.localdomain (Mike-Laptop) Bytes: 3021 In article <eef9e921-3ea3-76ee-39de-e34ac66733e4@example.net>, D <nospam@example.net> wrote: >Certainly in this group, anything that even remotely >contradicts the narrative of man made global warming is never >taken into account or ever discussed. My position remains the same -- whether or not CO2 increases cause global warming, to quote JEP, this is an uncontrolled experiment on our biosphere that we probably shouldn't be doing unless and until we know a lot more about what we're doing. But ... We are in a Catch 22. Trying to run techological civilization on exclusively "sunny days when the wind is blowing" energy is impossible. To the extent the attempt is compelled by force, the results will be collapse and millions of deaths wherever it is successfully compelled. I'm perfectly happy to phase out fossil fuel use as quickly as possible. Where "quickly" is defined as "Two gigawatts of nuclear comes on line for every gigawatt of fossil fuel taken off line. Nuclear comes on line first, *then and only then* does the fossil go offline." (Two-for-one for now, because we're behind on electric generation capacity, and if we're going to have electric cars, we'll need a lot more electricity to charge them.) The adamant opposition to nuclear power by the people who are most gung-ho on the "Global Warming" thing unalterably convinces me that they do not belive it themselves. They want to impose energy restrictions for entirely other reasons. (If their flying in their CO2-belching private jets, individually, to international conferences preaching how we need to forcibly restrict access to energy for the rest of us didn't already make this pretty clear.) -- Mike Van Pelt | "I don't advise it unless you're nuts." mvp at calweb.com | -- Ray Wilkinson, after riding out Hurricane KE6BVH | Ike on Surfside Beach in Galveston