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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: The truth about the Lorentz Transformation. Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 12:29:44 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 37 Message-ID: <vd0omo$3l9o1$1@dont-email.me> References: <llaokuF7ikkU1@mid.individual.net> <llhjsaF8lbmU4@mid.individual.net> <vd0hrt$3kaim$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 12:29:45 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="2aa9a77cd16e67c8755dabe3d65f4d6b"; logging-data="3843841"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18JYgNsL2nRxaumB7XIeYRz+A0D+eloSV8=" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:BdSY2WZbw/G0umKPpIVcLqZZPdo= Bytes: 2648 On 2024-09-25 08:33:01 +0000, Python said: > Le 25/09/2024 à 07:03, Thomas Heger a écrit : >> Am Sonntag000022, 22.09.2024 um 16:41 schrieb Sylvia Else: >>> On 17-Sept-24 11:16 am, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote: >>>> In reality, the LT is the difference in time taken for the transverse >>>> and longitudinal beams. >>>> Like with a river current, the longitudinal motion will be delayed more >>>> than the transverse. >>>> This is the difference that should have been detected by the >>>> Michelson-Morley experiment. >>>> As with water that is not flowing, we don't need these equations without >>>> an ether. >>>> Since relativity does not involve an ether, applying the Lorentz >>>> Transformation in this context is nonsensical. >>> >>> If you look for equations that describe a universe in which all >>> observers measure the same speed for light, then you arrive at the >>> Lorentz transformation. This is why Einstein and Lorentz ended up in >>> the same place - they both started with the same premise. >> >> As far as I can tell, the question was not the speed of light, but >> 'form invariance' between coordinate systems in motion, which motivated >> Voigt and Poincare to develop an early form of SRT. >> >> This was taken by Hendrik Lorentz, who developed on that foundation >> something, which Poincare named 'Lorentz transform'. >> >> And I have read, that Poincare didn't like that and also not Einstein's SRT. > > You read what? Where? Thomas makes stuff up all the time. -- athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots