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Subject: Re: The truth about the Lorentz Transformation.
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 13:05:53 +0200
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Le 25/09/2024 à 12:59, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> W dniu 25.09.2024 o 10:33, Python pisze:
>> Le 25/09/2024 à 07:03, Thomas Heger a écrit :
>>> Am Sonntag000022, 22.09.2024 um 16:41 schrieb Sylvia Else:
>>>> On 17-Sept-24 11:16 am, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
>>>>> In reality, the LT is the difference in time taken for the transverse
>>>>> and longitudinal beams.
>>>>> Like with a river current, the longitudinal motion will be delayed 
>>>>> more
>>>>> than the transverse.
>>>>> This is the difference that should have been detected by the
>>>>> Michelson-Morley experiment.
>>>>> As with water that is not flowing, we don't need these equations 
>>>>> without
>>>>> an ether.
>>>>> Since relativity does not involve an ether, applying the Lorentz
>>>>> Transformation in this context is nonsensical.
>>>>
>>>> If you look for equations that describe a universe in which all 
>>>> observers measure the same speed for light, then you arrive at the 
>>>> Lorentz transformation. This is why Einstein and Lorentz ended up in 
>>>> the same place - they both started with the same premise.
>>>
>>> As far as I can tell, the question was not the speed of light, but 
>>> 'form invariance' between coordinate systems in motion, which 
>>> motivated Voigt and Poincare to develop an early form of SRT.
>>>
>>> This was taken by Hendrik Lorentz, who developed on that foundation 
>>> something, which Poincare named 'Lorentz transform'.
>>>
>>> And I have read, that Poincare didn't like that and also not 
>>> Einstein's SRT.
>>
>> You read what? Where?
> 
> Oh, Poincare could be fooled enough to
> support SR - too bad for him. But he
> wrote very clearly what he thinks of
> rejecting Euclidean geometry (which
> [Einstein] did later in [snip prof.]

No he didn't.