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Subject: Re: The truth about the Lorentz Transformation.
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 13:43:24 +0200
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Le 25/09/2024 à 13:26, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> W dniu 25.09.2024 o 13:05, Python pisze:
>> Le 25/09/2024 à 12:59, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>> W dniu 25.09.2024 o 10:33, Python pisze:
>>>> Le 25/09/2024 à 07:03, Thomas Heger a écrit :
>>>>> Am Sonntag000022, 22.09.2024 um 16:41 schrieb Sylvia Else:
>>>>>> On 17-Sept-24 11:16 am, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
>>>>>>> In reality, the LT is the difference in time taken for the 
>>>>>>> transverse
>>>>>>> and longitudinal beams.
>>>>>>> Like with a river current, the longitudinal motion will be 
>>>>>>> delayed more
>>>>>>> than the transverse.
>>>>>>> This is the difference that should have been detected by the
>>>>>>> Michelson-Morley experiment.
>>>>>>> As with water that is not flowing, we don't need these equations 
>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>> an ether.
>>>>>>> Since relativity does not involve an ether, applying the Lorentz
>>>>>>> Transformation in this context is nonsensical.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you look for equations that describe a universe in which all 
>>>>>> observers measure the same speed for light, then you arrive at the 
>>>>>> Lorentz transformation. This is why Einstein and Lorentz ended up 
>>>>>> in the same place - they both started with the same premise.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as I can tell, the question was not the speed of light, but 
>>>>> 'form invariance' between coordinate systems in motion, which 
>>>>> motivated Voigt and Poincare to develop an early form of SRT.
>>>>>
>>>>> This was taken by Hendrik Lorentz, who developed on that foundation 
>>>>> something, which Poincare named 'Lorentz transform'.
>>>>>
>>>>> And I have read, that Poincare didn't like that and also not 
>>>>> Einstein's SRT.
>>>>
>>>> You read what? Where?
>>>
>>> Oh, Poincare could be fooled enough to
>>> support SR - too bad for him. But he
>>> wrote very clearly what he thinks of
>>> rejecting Euclidean geometry (which
>>> [Einstein] did later in [snip prof.]
>>
>> No he didn't.
> 
> Yes, he did.
> https://www.gutenberg.org/files/37157/37157-pdf.pdf
> He wrote clearly enough for anyone able to read.
> Even if not clearly enough for you
I meant Einstein didn't reject Euclidean Geometry.

I thought it was clear enough for anyone able to read.

> poor stinker.

Nice signature.