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Subject: Re: The truth about the Lorentz Transformation.
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 14:03:51 +0200
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Le 25/09/2024 à 13:55, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> W dniu 25.09.2024 o 13:43, Python pisze:
>> Le 25/09/2024 à 13:26, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>> W dniu 25.09.2024 o 13:05, Python pisze:
>>>> Le 25/09/2024 à 12:59, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>>> W dniu 25.09.2024 o 10:33, Python pisze:
>>>>>> Le 25/09/2024 à 07:03, Thomas Heger a écrit :
>>>>>>> Am Sonntag000022, 22.09.2024 um 16:41 schrieb Sylvia Else:
>>>>>>>> On 17-Sept-24 11:16 am, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In reality, the LT is the difference in time taken for the 
>>>>>>>>> transverse
>>>>>>>>> and longitudinal beams.
>>>>>>>>> Like with a river current, the longitudinal motion will be 
>>>>>>>>> delayed more
>>>>>>>>> than the transverse.
>>>>>>>>> This is the difference that should have been detected by the
>>>>>>>>> Michelson-Morley experiment.
>>>>>>>>> As with water that is not flowing, we don't need these 
>>>>>>>>> equations without
>>>>>>>>> an ether.
>>>>>>>>> Since relativity does not involve an ether, applying the Lorentz
>>>>>>>>> Transformation in this context is nonsensical.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you look for equations that describe a universe in which all 
>>>>>>>> observers measure the same speed for light, then you arrive at 
>>>>>>>> the Lorentz transformation. This is why Einstein and Lorentz 
>>>>>>>> ended up in the same place - they both started with the same 
>>>>>>>> premise.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as I can tell, the question was not the speed of light, 
>>>>>>> but 'form invariance' between coordinate systems in motion, which 
>>>>>>> motivated Voigt and Poincare to develop an early form of SRT.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This was taken by Hendrik Lorentz, who developed on that 
>>>>>>> foundation something, which Poincare named 'Lorentz transform'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And I have read, that Poincare didn't like that and also not 
>>>>>>> Einstein's SRT.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You read what? Where?
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, Poincare could be fooled enough to
>>>>> support SR - too bad for him. But he
>>>>> wrote very clearly what he thinks of
>>>>> rejecting Euclidean geometry (which
>>>>> [Einstein] did later in [snip prof.]
>>>>
>>>> No he didn't.
>>>
>>> Yes, he did.
>>> https://www.gutenberg.org/files/37157/37157-pdf.pdf
>>> He wrote clearly enough for anyone able to read.
>>> Even if not clearly enough for you
>> I meant Einstein didn't reject Euclidean Geometry.
> 
> So - does [Relativity] assumes EG
> true? REALLY?

It does. Really.

Wozniak all of this is far above your head. Find another hobby.