Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Whoops! The Atlantic Makes Trump Look EPIC In Cover Intended as a
 Smear
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 18:05:33 -0700
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Lines: 60
Message-ID: <vd2c0r$3sm1f$3@dont-email.me>
References: <20240913a@crcomp.net>
 <ceff4cd0-7f16-0f42-588b-374e89acf00c@example.net>
 <vcfq1i$8o8k$2@dont-email.me>
 <eef9e921-3ea3-76ee-39de-e34ac66733e4@example.net>
 <vcvu4d$3hnv8$1@dont-email.me> <vd1td8$3qtr8$1@dont-email.me>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Injection-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2024 03:05:31 +0200 (CEST)
Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="29f7020095eb25b883b9e6f82f3d5922";
	logging-data="4085807"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org";	posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18lVLydq2DcE0Aa0htZMHKh"
User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird
Cancel-Lock: sha1:nC3OflgZDvupZl6M+3O9a99QGJs=
Content-Language: en-US
In-Reply-To: <vd1td8$3qtr8$1@dont-email.me>
Bytes: 3948

On 9/25/2024 1:55 PM, William Hyde wrote:
> Mike Van Pelt wrote:
>> In article <eef9e921-3ea3-76ee-39de-e34ac66733e4@example.net>,
>> D  <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>> Certainly in this group, anything that even remotely
>>> contradicts the narrative of man made global warming is never
>>> taken into account or ever discussed.
>>
>> My position remains the same -- whether or not CO2 increases
>> cause global warming, to quote JEP, this is an uncontrolled
>> experiment on our biosphere that we probably shouldn't be doing
>> unless and until we know a lot more about what we're doing.
>>
>> But ...
>>
>> We are in a Catch 22.  Trying to run techological civilization
>> on exclusively "sunny days when the wind is blowing" energy
>> is impossible.  To the extent the attempt is compelled by force,
>> the results will be collapse and millions of deaths wherever
>> it is successfully compelled.
>>
>> I'm perfectly happy to phase out fossil fuel use as quickly
>> as possible.  Where "quickly" is defined as "Two gigawatts
>> of nuclear comes on line for every gigawatt of fossil fuel
>> taken off line.  Nuclear comes on line first, *then and only
>> then* does the fossil go offline."
>>
>> (Two-for-one for now, because we're behind on electric
>> generation capacity, and if we're going to have electric cars,
>> we'll need a lot more electricity to charge them.)
>>
>> The adamant opposition to nuclear power by the people who
>> are most gung-ho on the "Global Warming" thing unalterably
>> convinces me that they do not belive it themselves.
> 
> 
> Actually I am strongly pro-nuclear power, as are most climate scientists 
> I know.
> 
> Circa 2000 a group from Princeton came up with a plan to limit the 
> warming to 2.5C which did not involve nuclear, but also did not involve 
> catastrophic economic decline.  But even if we accept that this was 
> possible then, it isn't now.  Nuclear is a must, at least for a few 
> decades.
> 
> I am also pro-hydro, which most greens oppose, though it has to be 
> carefully done (poorly placed reservoirs for dams can emit C02 and CH4 
> to such a degree that the power is only as clean as non-fracked natural 
> gas.  Better than coal, but not good enough).
> 
> Fossil fuels will continue to be burnt for a very long time.  There is 
> no conceivable way of shutting them down rapidly. We don't currently 
> have a carbon capture system worth anything, but I can't believe it's 
> beyond our abilities. Put Lynn on the job.
> 
Accepting the job would require him to admit climate change is real so....

-- 
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky 
dirty old man.