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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Is anybody using NE521 comparators? Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2024 15:07:50 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 21 Message-ID: <vd3m55$6jl0$1@dont-email.me> References: <66f40d3c$0$3243$426a34cc@news.free.fr> <vd19i0$3nl90$2@dont-email.me> <66f4fbd8$0$3572$426a74cc@news.free.fr> <66f53fce$0$1774$426a74cc@news.free.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2024 15:04:37 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="29dea14f313bd0ffc1ff9769bcaeac0a"; logging-data="216736"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+dbxc03nltUn8vzM4ElYvx" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.13.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:l+IAMoQ+QcJE69obPhiQWwl7WHE= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <66f53fce$0$1774$426a74cc@news.free.fr> Bytes: 2075 On 9/26/24 13:04, Jean-Pierre Coulon wrote: > "offset" has a particular meaning for its designers. Tha datasheet says: > output undefined if abs(Va_Vb) < offset. Forget what you know about the > offset of an opamp! One could expect better from a bipolar differential > pair :-) It's Va-Vb, the difference. Not Va_Vb. They mean that they can't tell if the output will be either high or low; Not that it is hovering somewhere in between. This is pretty much what one should expect from a comparator offset. Of course, for *really* small inputs, the output will start wiggling randomly. You're not supposed to go there. I agree Vos=6mV is pretty poor for a bipolar differential comparator, but hey, this is an old design. It can easily compare voltages less than the offset, but you'd have to get serious about correcting for it. It gets slower, too. Jeroen Belleman