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From: William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com>
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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2024 16:15:23 -0400
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Chris Buckley wrote:
> On 2024-09-25, Mike Van Pelt <usenet@mikevanpelt.com> wrote:
>> In article <vd1td8$3qtr8$1@dont-email.me>,
>> William Hyde  <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Mike Van Pelt wrote:
>>>> The adamant opposition to nuclear power by the people who
>>>> are most gung-ho on the "Global Warming" thing unalterably
>>>> convinces me that they do not belive it themselves.
>>>
>>> Actually I am strongly pro-nuclear power, as are most climate
>>> scientists I know.
>>
>> Good. You make ... what, the third? ... that has come to my
>> attention.  In the past, when I've said this, what I've gotten
>> from the global warming folks in the conversation is "Noooooo,
>> nuclear is teh evulzzz!!!"
>>
>> One of several reasons I took "Science Friday" off of my
>> podcast download was that in several years of listening
>> to it, they had many, many overheated (heh) stories about
>> global warming, but never once could bring themselves to
>> mention nuclear in that context.  The only mention of
>> nuclear power I recall was one "nuclear is bad" story.
> 
> Yes.  I subscribe to _Science News_. Their silence is deafening.
> Earlier this year they had a 4 page feature article going into detail
> on all the different ways to move towards net-zero carbon
> emissions. They didn't mention nuclear energy at all.
> 
> I don't see signs of William Hyde's climate scientists supporting
> nuclear power.

We're not politicians.  And we're not unanimous by any means.


  I see complicit ignoring of the issue like above. I see
> top climatologists like Mann openly supporting censorship - opposing
> scientists must not be given an opportunity to state their views. (I
> don't know Mann's position on nuclear power itself,


Mann does not think more nuclear power is necessary.  I disagree, mainly 
because I think he is underestimating the future demand for electricity. 
As I said, we're not unanimous.

We can do vastly more with renewables, and we are in fact on that path. 
I don't think, however, that it will be enough.  Perhaps I'm wrong.  I 
hope I'm wrong.

But I think he would agree that Germany's restarting of coal plants to 
replace power from shuttered nuclear plants is simple insanity.

A couple of years ago those coal plants had to cut back.  They couldn't 
get enough coal because the Rhine was too low for the coal barges, 
owning to lack of rain and high evaporation levels.  So less CO2 was 
emitted.

This happened shortly after Lovelock's death.  A pity, as its a perfect 
example of his Gaia hypothesis (don't take that too seriously).

Alas though, warm river water is proving a problem for the French 
nuclear plants.  Some had to be shut down in the summer as the water was 
too warm to use in the cooling towers. France had to import electricity 
from Germany.


William Hyde