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Path: ...!news.roellig-ltd.de!open-news-network.org!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Extensive article on Rivendell and Grant Petersen Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2024 20:36:40 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 40 Message-ID: <vd4ump$dtom$5@dont-email.me> References: <vcn277$1minb$1@dont-email.me> <IbWHO.21156$MxR.18519@fx47.iad> <vcpiki$29eeg$1@dont-email.me> <vcpu65$2ausd$2@dont-email.me> <vcqif4$2hoq2$1@dont-email.me> <VEfIO.1095856$azJ4.449168@fx16.ams4> <vcsa02$2q622$1@dont-email.me> <4ORIO.2217266$kpic.2028467@fx15.ams4> <vd19ao$3narv$5@dont-email.me> <87setm6udc.fsf@mothra.home> Reply-To: frkrygow@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2024 02:36:42 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="b14cfc7857bc72920bd407e5155cf831"; logging-data="456470"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/w0OqCOzdo3matZ6A+fy24mSdKlG645pw=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:F45XeMz2BqbXm7ssRxraQufdqKI= In-Reply-To: <87setm6udc.fsf@mothra.home> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3218 On 9/26/2024 4:19 PM, Radey Shouman wrote: > Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> writes: > >> On 9/25/2024 6:42 AM, Roger Merriman wrote: >>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>> It's good that the pendulum has finally swung back to reasonable >>>> tire >>>> clearance. But billions of cyclists are still stopping plenty well >>>> enough with rim brakes, even when they're wet. >>> That shows your circle of cyclists really... >>>> >>> Never seen folks wildly cross chaining? And yes swapping chainrings about >>> if your moving fast ie having to move up and down is tedious, all but one >>> of my bikes are doubles. >>> Just because it’s not something you’ve encountered doesn’t mean it >>> isn’t a >>> thing. >> Most of my remarks on this issue relate not only my own experiences, >> but the experiences I've observed among my riding friends. So yes, >> they do show my circle of cyclists. >> >> But the question becomes, whose "circle of cyclists" is closer to >> typical? I think only a tiny percentage who are riding fast enough to >> benefit from minor aerodynamic changes, who are braking hard enough to >> benefit from improvements in brake modulation, who need ultra fast >> gear changes, etc. The folks I ride with will do 40 to 50 miles >> without worry, and that already exceeds the ability of "everyman" >> cyclists. (Heck, I had many folks amazed that I rode seven miles to >> get to work!) > > You have also told us that when it looked like rain you just didn't ride > to work. Nothing wrong with that -- Do what makes you happy, but please > realize that you have eliminated the data points that might have shown > improved braking to be useful. As most people do. Which is my point. -- - Frank Krygowski