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Subject: Re: E-Biikes are not bicycles
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2024 12:36:42 -0500
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On 9/27/2024 12:23 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> On 9/27/2024 9:20 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>> On 9/27/2024 8:56 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
>>>> Am Thu, 26 Sep 2024 14:32:51 -0400 schrieb Zen Cycle
>>>> <funkmaster@hotmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> I also disagree that e-bike users as a rule have given up on cycling.
>>>>
>>>> First of all, that's not a rule, it is a fact.  Somebody riding a
>>>> motorized bike isn't using an bicycle.
>>>
>>> If and only if it's an objective fact that an ebike is not a bicycle.
>>> Considering the fact that the fast majority of people who ride non-
>>> motorized bicycles as well as the industry disagree with you, the
>>> statement "Somebody riding a motorized bike isn't using an bicycle" is
>>> not an objective fact, it's a subjective judgement.
>>
>> Hmm. In an attempt to back away for a broader view:
>>
>> I can conceive of a bike with a motor so weak and limited that nobody
>> would object to calling it a bicycle. Maybe a motor with just 15 Watts,
>> driven by a battery with one mile range?
>>
>>  From there, I can conceive of a continuous spectrum, up to that Hi
>> Power Cycles Revolution X9, 104 km/h speed, 160 km range.
>>
>> At some point in that spectrum, a rational person would say "That's not
>> a bicycle, it's a motorcycle." Even though, like the Revolution X9, it
>> has pedals.
>>
>> The question is, where is that "not really a bicycle" threshold. I tend
>> to say America's Class I ebikes are above that threshold. I understand
>> that they're valuable to many people, but my gut says "You're not really
>> bicycling."
>>
>> Also, U.S. laws (after heavy industry lobbying) allow 750 Watts and
>> power assist up to 19 mph, which is way too much in my view. British
>> laws allow 250 Watts and assist up to 15.5 mph (25 kph). I'd have
>> stopped the power assist at 12 mph, a level where novices have a much
>> better chance of staying out of trouble or causing trouble for others.
>>
>> YMMV, of course.
>>
>>
> That is absolutely regulation I’d personally only consider American type 1
> as bikes, beyond that starting to become more moped like, see also
> apparently German cycle lane legislation ie that one has to use one.
> 
> That really isn’t technology or even infrastructure but pure politics, last
> government probably under pressure from folks who wanted more of the small
> e vans that are classed as Bikes to increase power etc, has as expected
> died was unlikely to go anywhere really.
> 
> Roger Merriman
> 
> 

I noticed that about UK.  If this is a bicycle:

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/uk-cargo-e-bike-manufacturer-eav-partners-up-with-halfords-to-ensure-efficient-maintenance-207347.html

then I am the Queen of England.


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