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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Urban cycling update Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2024 15:53:30 -0500 Organization: Yellow Jersey, Ltd. Lines: 50 Message-ID: <vd9qc9$1d59d$1@dont-email.me> References: <vd945j$19u1s$1@dont-email.me> <jahgfjpvs2o20fmq13h8ejjat0c1444cb8@4ax.com> <vd9iqk$1c509$1@dont-email.me> <ec0a813a-5724-4cd3-bfe3-b05995093c4a@comcast.net> <f6ngfj1e21kteumuc5h59br7pal32onm2o@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2024 22:53:29 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="ef2ea566e47af9cc5cbab36ec8a8f686"; logging-data="1479981"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18VOHxER4vf2La1DozAMMwW" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:Du1FXCvDlKjW4CPUajuzux5ZSwg= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <f6ngfj1e21kteumuc5h59br7pal32onm2o@4ax.com> Bytes: 3235 On 9/28/2024 2:52 PM, Shadow wrote: > On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 14:09:33 -0500, Mark J cleary > <mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote: > >> On 9/28/2024 1:44 PM, AMuzi wrote: >>> On 9/28/2024 1:09 PM, Shadow wrote: >>>> On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 09:34:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> https://nypost.com/2024/09/27/lifestyle/nyc-bike-messengers-reveal-their-surprisingly-busiest-time-of-year/ >>>> >>>> All bikes shown have thick chains, ***no gears(maybe hub gears on >>>> one) and no apparent brakes. Hub brakes by back pedaling? >>>> >>>> <https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/09/victor-ramirez-credit-sammpicnyc-instagram-90397651.jpg> >>>> []'s >>> >>> Right, primarily fixed gear. >>> >> >> I crazy dangerous job that I expect some people have no trouble taking. >> Not me that would be crazy. Also, having road a bike for most of my life >> and many miles I have never road a fixed great bike. Does this mean you >> are either pedaling for not? The hub must not be a freehub or cassette. >> In my world I have no idea how anyone could ride a bike like that, seems >> incredibly dangerous. Do they use cleats and what is basic speed your >> are going? > > The way I see it, if the chain breaks you lose both the > ability to accelerate out of trouble (as with most bikes) but also the > ability to brake. > Imagine spinning those pedals down a steep slope then some > debris strikes your chain and "derails" it. > []'s > > *** by "no gears" I meant no gear changing. Obviously there > must be at least one gear. In practice fixed gear chain is not only wider and stronger but since it only runs in one path (like a cam chain in an engine) derailment is unheard of. That said, most urban fixed riders use a front brake, as do I. The younger crowd will comment, "I can stop in three meters!" which is fine until you have two meters between you and the bus. -- Andrew Muzi am@yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971