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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John R Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: RF Metrology Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2024 19:57:34 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 43 Message-ID: <vdc7uu$1lv41$1@dont-email.me> References: <mu1jfjtd6521pp9nb0kubcorkkkdh20gu3@4ax.com> <vdc4gn$1r4te$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2024 20:57:34 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="8a0c6a352dfd7296c752bf6f8b4315fb"; logging-data="1768577"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/WJObZnhR3zBFaq0tRisWSn4Q90hmK2/Q=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:XmO74RelkNW9xfmLepefgNkCx68= In-Reply-To: <vdc4gn$1r4te$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-GB Bytes: 3215 On 29/09/2024 19:02, Jeroen Belleman wrote: > On 9/29/24 19:14, Cursitor Doom wrote: >> Greetings, gentlemen, >> >> I bought one of those TinySA Ultras recently and have spent some time >> testing it today. I have to say it's amazing what they've done for the >> price. I mean, truly amazing. I do have two other 'proper' lab-grade >> RF spectrum analyzers, but I think I'm going to be mostly using the >> TinySA in future as it's just *so* convenient and doesn't weigh a ton. >> Anyway, to get back to the point of this post, having checked out the >> TSA and establishing I didn't buy one of the fake versions that are >> out there, I turned my attention to my mid-level RF SA, an HP who's >> model number escapes me (not the 8566B I've posted here about before >> which is now fully working, but a newer model that's about 1/3 as >> heavy. I say I can't recall the model number but it's not relevant to >> this question anyway. "So what is the fucking question, CD??" I hear >> you not unreasonably cry. Well, it's this: >> When I'm feeding an RF signal into the SA, I'm seeing differing >> amplitudes at different frequencies. So I've programmed in a sweep >> from 10Mhz to 5.4Ghz at -49dBm using my Aeroflex RF signal generator >> and I'm seeing the displayed amplitude vary as it sweeps through the >> range. But this only happens when I'm using a cheap, Chinese N-type to >> SMA adaptor at the signal generator output. Would I be right to >> suspect some imperfection in the manufacturing of the adaptor could >> cause such an effect? I do have a VNA I could characterize the adaptor >> with but it's a bit of an effort to do. It would seem like the SA is >> showing the adaptor's shortcomings in the frequency domain. But is >> that a feasible hypothesis? >> >> Your pal, >> >> CD. > > Aren't we getting a teensy bit lazy? > > Jeroen Belleman I have seen transmission (S21) losses of around 1dB at about 1.2GHz just from failing to tighten an N connector sufficiently. We do need to know the magnitude and frequency of the problem in order to give helpful comments! John