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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: RF Metrology Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2024 22:08:25 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 41 Message-ID: <vdcbtk$1s3at$1@dont-email.me> References: <mu1jfjtd6521pp9nb0kubcorkkkdh20gu3@4ax.com> <vdc4gn$1r4te$1@dont-email.me> <vdc7uu$1lv41$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2024 22:05:08 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="2d45dfd3fcd7abca94fbcfe406c1eef9"; logging-data="1969501"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX186VawYGYluEQh8ub+LedEl" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.13.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:BTX5C5FdHWwTbzv2Y9xULd46gt4= In-Reply-To: <vdc7uu$1lv41$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2620 On 9/29/24 20:57, John R Walliker wrote: > On 29/09/2024 19:02, Jeroen Belleman wrote: >> On 9/29/24 19:14, Cursitor Doom wrote: >>> Greetings, gentlemen, >>> >>> [...] Chinese N-type to >>> SMA adaptor at the signal generator output. Would I be right to >>> suspect some imperfection in the manufacturing of the adaptor could >>> cause such an effect? I do have a VNA I could characterize the adaptor >>> with but it's a bit of an effort to do. It would seem like the SA is >>> showing the adaptor's shortcomings in the frequency domain. But is >>> that a feasible hypothesis? >>> >>> Your pal, >>> >>> CD. >> >> Aren't we getting a teensy bit lazy? >> >> Jeroen Belleman > > I have seen transmission (S21) losses of around 1dB at about 1.2GHz > just from failing to tighten an N connector sufficiently. > We do need to know the magnitude and frequency of the problem in > order to give helpful comments! > John > I collected some TDR traces of various connectors, adapters and terminators a few years ago: <https://cern.ch/jeroen/connectorTDR>. There were a few surprises. I was taken aback by the poor results for H+S BNC and LEMO-00. For BNCs, Radiall is better than H+S, but for N-connectors, it's the reverse. After having seen what LEMO-00 hardware did to my signals, I was pleasantly surprised by the performance of SMC. SMA was the best I had around, hands down, no surprises there. Jeroen Belleman