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From: Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
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Subject: Re: kids these days
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2024 05:40:39 GMT
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On a sunny day (Sun, 29 Sep 2024 18:41:27 +0100) it happened Cursitor Doom
<cd@notformail.com> wrote in <714jfj57e91sfrgeruv4prsqmujf3m04hs@4ax.com>:

>On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 17:04:57 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On a sunny day (Sun, 29 Sep 2024 17:41:36 +0100) it happened Cursitor Doom
>><cd@notformail.com> wrote in <2h0jfjhlq7ic02h5f72a3ibsksv5mkg6aj@4ax.com>:
>>
>>>On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 13:22:31 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On a sunny day (Sun, 29 Sep 2024 10:10:33 +0100) it happened Cursitor Doom
>>>><cd@notformail.com> wrote in <d56ifj1angpnq16qhhb0vplmlr3tt7opnf@4ax.com>:
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 08:42:27 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On a sunny day (Thu, 26 Sep 2024 16:21:31 -0700) it happened john larkin
>>>>>><jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote in <v1rbfj18eqbgr1t9bfvdfqqmn1q91gcfof@4ax.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bosses-firing-gen-z-grads-111719818.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Oh. I just hired one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There is a lot of truth in that article.
>>>>>>I have had to work with newcomers, some knew nothing 
>>>>>>But then when I started... in my first job designing a.o. mil stuff
>>>>>>I had to figure it all out for myself the same day the requests got on the table.
>>>>>>One old guy, who had some experience with electronics but had a lot with high power stuff..
>>>>>>and a manager to rule us, was the environment, and a big factory floor building the things we came up with, and
>>>>>>a test room (HV stuff 100 kV etc megawatt stuff.. and a little corner and oscilloscope for me to test what I came up with,
>>>>>>build  proto circuits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Later when starting in broadcasting we got 6 month in the school benches in their own studio, while getting payed,
>>>>>>and exams after that, everything from audio, video, satellite, management, politics (who can do what, red phones sort of
>>>>>>thing), the works.
>>>>>>As that (video, audio etc) was my real interest, I found it relaxing and fun.
>>>>>>Then when you are put in charge of a real event, I remember the first day I ran alone in a head control room
>>>>>>I had to call my boss back from his dinner in some restaurant.. could not find the cables we had to swap
>>>>>>to sync some remote location,
>>>>>>turned out those were hidden under the floor boards ..
>>>>>>Did not they tell you that?
>>>>>> (Must have missed that :-) ).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It all depends,.
>>>>>>Do you give the poor new guy training? ANY kind of training?
>>>>>
>>>>>He doesn't have to. John has this screening technique he uses for job
>>>>>applicants. He shows them a diagram of two 1k resistors in series with
>>>>>10V across them and asks them what the voltage where they join is. If
>>>>>they freak out, burst into tears or defenestrate themselves, he knows
>>>>>not to hire them. :-)
>>>>
>>>>Yes I did read that posting
>>>>Its hard, lemme see, e=m.c^12 likely does not help.
>>>>to make it easier for me I use volts, so if 3k3 + 4k7 in series gives 8 volts
>>>>then we know 3k3 gives 3.3 V across it and 4k7 4.7 volts across it
>>>>Best is to use trimpots to get the right value, no math needed...
>>>>And of course you need to bring the (multi?)meter impedance into play, especially for high
>>>>value resistors and moving coil meters from old boat anchors for example.
>>>>And there are LDRs and NTCs and PTCs, so we need to know all that
>>>>and the temperature and light intensity...
>>>>for the NTCs and PTCs we also need to know the current and time since switch on...
>>>>So no wonder if they defenestrate themselves.
>>>>An other issue maybe length contraction due to near light speed that may affect both measurement equipment and resistors.
>>>>And reading those colored bands around some resistors to get the value.
>>>>and wirewound, carbon composite, metal, 
>>>> And then J.L. did not specify if it was DeeSee or AH!See
>>>>Imagine 2 1k resistors, one wire-wound, the other metal flim,
>>>>The wire-wound would work as inductor for RF, so would some small metal ones with some turns on it..
>>>>And then there are tolerances, simple maybe for 2 resistors from the same batch
>>>>but tolerances, sometimes a silver or gold band will give a clue
>>>>will change the outcome.
>>>>So as the saying goes: "Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated"
>>>>Opps, composite carbon reisors maye aso be sensitve to moisture? And maybe pressue?
>>>>Those would often go high in teefee sets...
>>>>
>>>>...
>>>
>>>Jan, you're massively over-complicating this! :-) The resistors in my
>>>example are both 1k so it's half the supply rail. But you knew that
>>>anyway.
>>>The answers you gave show that you know your subject. Unfortunately,
>>>as we know from what John's stated here before, the graduates he
>>>interviews have no idea what the fuck they're doing. The Chinese are
>>>going to kick our arses if they aren't already.
>>>
>>>Oh - and carbon resistors are noisy. And I don't think you mentioned
>>>the source resistance of the supply. We could go on. And on. And
>>>on.... But that's not what John asked for. He only wanted a first
>>>approximation which would be 5 Volts. But that's too much for today's
>>>grads, it seems. :(
>>
>>Sure, but I find it hard to believe,
>>we had a lab and were required to do measurements etc.. in my school days.
>>Not only electronics, some mechanics too.
>>But indeed there is nothing like practical experience, in my school
>>it was known that only hobbyists would psss the exams...
>>
>>Electronics is a huge field, on top of that now comes programming.. oh and now AI..
>>And ever higher frequencies... ever more software (like peeseebee software for example)
>>protocols, what not... standarss...
>>
>>And in spite of all that : US could do a moon return in the sixties, July 1969
>>now they are stuck and need to be saved from the ISS..
>>SpaceX just did sent up a rescue mission:
>> https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy89kz8ge41o
>>
>>US IQ is dropping, no empire lasted forever..
>>that US war mongering war machine has no place in evolution, same for israhell,
>>Religious brainwashed by theior leaders fanatics everywhere.
>>
>>Digital dooms day clocks very very precise... atomic
>
>You and I are old enough to remember back in the past when a situation
>such as that in Ukraine/Russia or Israel/Palestine/Lebanon where
>all-out war was a distinct likelihood, there would be any number of
>peace envoys getting stuck in and trying to defuse the situation
>before it escalated. Isn't it curious that we have no such initiatives
>going ahead today? I don't believe there's an innocent explanation for
>that. These conflicts are 100% engineered by the people Trump refers
>to as "The Swamp" and it's becoming ever more obvious that's the case
>for even the most obtuse among the bovine, cud-chewing rabble that
>form the bulk of the electorate in all democratic nations world-wide.

Darwin rules...
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