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From: jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll)
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Subject: Re: "Washington Post Accidentally Admits Earth at Coolest Point in
 the Last 485 Million Years"
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2024 02:44:17 -0000 (UTC)
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In article <vdflkd$2ijvf$2@dont-email.me>,
Cryptoengineer  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 9/30/2024 9:18 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 9/30/2024 7:29 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> On 9/27/2024 6:59 PM, William Hyde wrote:
>>>>> Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>> "Washington Post Accidentally Admits Earth at Coolest Point in the
>>>>>> Last 485 Million Years"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/09/washington-post-accidentally-
>>>>>> admits-earth-at-coolest-point-in-the-last-485-million-years/
>>>>>
>>>>> The earth was four degrees C colder at the peak of the ice age 21,000
>>>>> years ago.   So the above is simply not true.
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> So the little jog down before present time does not cover the 4 C drop ?
>>>>
>>>> If not, do you have a better graph ?
>>>
>>> I'm sure you have the ability to find one.  Just remember to restrict
>>> your search to the scientific literature rather than political
>>> entertainment websites.
>>>
>>> Remember the _Readers Guide to Periodic Literature_?
>> 
>> That graph comes from the Washington Post which is not a political 
>> entertainment website.  At least not for conservatives.
>> 
>> Lynn
>> 
>
>The problem is, it doesn't show useful info, is being used
>in a misleading way.
>
>People haven't survived through climate
>changes for 485 million years.
>
>They've survived through them for about 2 million, at the
>outside. Agricultural society has managed the survive the
>climate changes of just the last 10,000.
>
>Here's a chart on a more useful scale: https://xkcd.com/1732/
>(check the mouseover :-)
>
>10,000  years ago, the Sahara was a grassland, like our Great
>Plains. Now, its a wasteland. That took a change of about 2C.
>Many of the great grain growing areas of the world could face
>the same fate if temperature goes up another 2C.
>
>We need to fix the climate to what's good for humans. What it was
>5 million years ago is irrelevant.
>
Another way to look at it is that every kind of human except for one
(so far) ultimately went extinct so we can't say "Oh, well, humans
survived a lot of crap in the past" because most human species 
didn't. Granted, Homo Erectus had a pretty good run of two million 
years. Modern humans have been around (depending on definition of
modern) anywhere from 300,000 to as little as 60,000 years, so our 
track record wrt climate change is not anywhere near as established 
as HE's.


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