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From: Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: "Washington Post Accidentally Admits Earth at Coolest Point in
 the Last 485 Million Years"
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2024 11:45:31 -0400
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On 10/1/2024 4:54 AM, D wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, 30 Sep 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:
> 
>> On 9/30/2024 9:18 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 9/30/2024 7:29 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>> On 9/27/2024 6:59 PM, William Hyde wrote:
>>>>>> Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>>> "Washington Post Accidentally Admits Earth at Coolest Point in the
>>>>>>> Last 485 Million Years"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/09/washington-post-accidentally-
>>>>>>> admits-earth-at-coolest-point-in-the-last-485-million-years/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The earth was four degrees C colder at the peak of the ice age 21,000
>>>>>> years ago.   So the above is simply not true.
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> So the little jog down before present time does not cover the 4 C 
>>>>> drop ?
>>>>>
>>>>> If not, do you have a better graph ?
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure you have the ability to find one.  Just remember to restrict
>>>> your search to the scientific literature rather than political
>>>> entertainment websites.
>>>>
>>>> Remember the _Readers Guide to Periodic Literature_?
>>>
>>> That graph comes from the Washington Post which is not a political 
>>> entertainment website.  At least not for conservatives.
>>>
>>> Lynn
>>>
>>
>> The problem is, it doesn't show useful info, is being used
>> in a misleading way.
>>
>> People haven't survived through climate
>> changes for 485 million years.
>>
>> They've survived through them for about 2 million, at the
>> outside. Agricultural society has managed the survive the
>> climate changes of just the last 10,000.
>>
>> Here's a chart on a more useful scale: https://xkcd.com/1732/
>> (check the mouseover :-)
>>
>> 10,000  years ago, the Sahara was a grassland, like our Great
>> Plains. Now, its a wasteland. That took a change of about 2C.
>> Many of the great grain growing areas of the world could face
>> the same fate if temperature goes up another 2C.
>>
>> We need to fix the climate to what's good for humans. What it was
>> 5 million years ago is irrelevant.
>>
>> pt
>>
> 
> Actually no, if it was ok 5 million years ago, that tells us something 
> about today. We have all learned now that the climate has always varied, 
> and that there's no need for any fear. With the help of technology, we 
> also have an advantage over other small animals, in that we can survive 
> a much broader ranger of temperatures.

Climate has always varied. And: Most species have gone extinct.

We need to change that.

I don't want humans to go extinct, which means we have to keep
climate within the range we know we can handle.

Its not just a matter of whether we, personally, are comfortable.
Our food species also need to be sustained, and they're a lot
more sensitive than we are.

pt