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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Whether something is RISC or not (Re: PDP-8 theology, not Concertina II Progress) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2024 20:23:53 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 20 Message-ID: <vdka4p$3cbth$1@dont-email.me> References: <uigus7$1pteb$1@dont-email.me> <umvnh2$27m0$1@gal.iecc.com> <868r55parv.fsf@linuxsc.com> <jwv4jfk7vet.fsf-monnier+comp.arch@gnu.org> <unni2h$1qgc$2@gal.iecc.com> <2024Jan11.080258@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <hFeoN.153631$c3Ea.77560@fx10.iad> <ae65920bbb2ea09c74d0ea7584604b0f@www.novabbs.com> <sEWoN.224880$xHn7.139333@fx14.iad> <uvkh3q$ihej$2@dont-email.me> <uvl5hj$q0so$1@dont-email.me> <550600971b1a36b4b630c496cb21b96b@www.novabbs.org> <vdhkcs$2s651$1@dont-email.me> <0194054dac788f7e3a163726e84d72ac@www.novabbs.org> Injection-Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2024 22:23:54 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="ddb2f3717fd57e66ff56ce72aa4c6f29"; logging-data="3551153"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18P/gXyykuADrEaeYIq8scotCYMC3gyguA=" User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:EfqMBZMlGw+GyyCoR/0Lv/7XVXM= Bytes: 2238 MitchAlsup1 <mitchalsup@aol.com> schrieb: > On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 20:00:28 +0000, Thomas Koenig wrote: > >> MitchAlsup1 <mitchalsup@aol.com> schrieb: >> >>> A 32-bit bus would have priced the 68K at 30%-50% higher simply >>> due to the number of pins on available packages. This would have >>> eliminated any chance at competing for the broad markets at that >>> time. >> >> Would have an external 16-bit bus and an internal 32-bit bus have >> been advantageous, or would this have blown a likely transistor >> budget for little gain? > > It was pin limited and internal area limited; and close to being > power limited (NMOS). Somebody did a good job of optimizing it, then, at the limit of several constraints. Not necessarily a global optimium, though, that could have been closer to the (much later) ARM.