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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: The joy of FORTRAN Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2024 22:21:13 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 22 Message-ID: <vdkh0p$3d48j$9@dont-email.me> References: <pan$96411$d204da43$cc34bb91$1fe98651@linux.rocks> <5mqdnZuGq4lgwm_7nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@earthlink.com> <vcub5c$36h63$1@dont-email.me> <36KdnVlGJu9VLW77nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@earthlink.com> <971448126.749088380.092448.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> <vd5195$edas$1@dont-email.me> <59CJO.19674$MoU3.15170@fx36.iad> <vd6vto$r0so$1@dont-email.me> <iJEJO.198176$kxD8.81657@fx11.iad> <3hOdnWpQ649QMGr7nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@earthlink.com> <vd8doi$15q07$1@dont-email.me> <vd8eg7$15v1j$2@dont-email.me> <cxicnVzg_cn_eGX7nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@earthlink.com> <vdapbn$1kp35$5@dont-email.me> <xD2dnSerYr-8kmf7nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@earthlink.com> <llv25bFa6uvU2@mid.individual.net> <n-ednbNVDrThwWf7nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@earthlink.com> <1114392917.749421134.280786.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> <WHudncjyj7eEHGb7nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@earthlink.com> <lm2u9aFs3voU6@mid.individual.net> <vdj5v7$35p9c$19@dont-email.me> <%pfLO.416950$_o_3.120855@fx17.iad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2024 00:21:14 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="319a655577b0d958d85bd19ad5bdfbec"; logging-data="3576083"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19Iz5dVt98GNQntaYA8/w2j" User-Agent: Pan/0.160 (Toresk; ) Cancel-Lock: sha1:InJLWjNQPNFsIfHWeageCDXUT+w= Bytes: 3058 On Wed, 02 Oct 2024 17:29:31 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2024-10-02, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> In practice I work both ends to the middle. Write what is obvious in >> spec or code first, and then see what problems remain unsolved..... > > Stan Kelly-Bootle, when contrasting top-down and bottom-up development, > proposed the opposite of your method. He called it "middle-out". “Rapid prototyping” I think is the term for what I do: talk to the customer, get some initial notes, go away for a couple of weeks, come back with some initially working code that I/they can actually run, and then they say “yes, that’s the kind of thing I want, can you add this” or “no, that’s not quite right, can you change this”. And then I go away for another week or two, and repeat the cycle until we get a useful production-quality result. This way, we always have something concrete in front of us as a reference point, instead of having to try to conduct discussions in the abstract. And the customer feels they are actually getting something for their money, each time they pay my bill.