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From: The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
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Subject: Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2024 10:39:04 +0100
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On 04/10/2024 09:20, D wrote:
> 
> 
> On Thu, 3 Oct 2024, Peter Flass wrote:
> 
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 03 Oct 2024 23:55:51 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thomas Malthus figured this out over 200 years ago.
>>>
>>> He was wrong, though. Human ingenuity (i.e. science and technology) kept
>>> things going long after he thought they would fall apart.
>>>
>>
>> Population in developed countries is now declining. Europe, US and 
>> Canada,
>> Japan, even China. Hucksters are now complaining about this, as they have
>> fewer people to peddle their junk to.
>>
> 
> I think these are two strong arguments against any population-doom 
> scenarios that are often written about by climate-hysterics.
> 
> Malthus was obviously wrong, and many people for the past 200 years have 
> been wrong about how many people this planet can support.

However even the most hard right moron doesn't claim an infinite number 
of people.
We are not querying the principle, merely where the limit lies.
The same goes for fossil fuel. Fuck climate change, there is not an 
infinite amount left in the earth.


> 
> Science has grown that nr (nr of people the planet can support) 
> enormously over time, and will continue to do so.
> 
A totally unsubstantiated assumption. At a given point there will be 
insufficient energy arriving from the  sun and the nuclear fuel will run 
out on earth

> And, it is a known trend (but not a law of nature) that when a society 
> "matures" has social security etc. birth numbers drop. On the other side 
> of the spectrum, when a society "hardens" and brings with it enormous 
> competition, requirements and demands on the young, by the old, 
> birthrates also plummet (see china).
> 
Exactly. In a world populated by anb excess of brats, whi wants to breed 
another one?

> So I think Hans Roslings prediction was that we'll stabilize on around 
> 12-14 billion or so. But most here will probably get to see if he was 
> right or not by themselves.
> 
> You can also throw in the joker of exploiting space, sea bottoms etc. 
> for resources as well, but that's many years into the future, so usually 
> I'm ridiculed for mentioning this, but as a techno-optimist I am 
> convinced this will happen.

In a limited way yes, but not if the Greens take control

It will be back to the middle ages and a pandemic that wipes out 90% of 
the world

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