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From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: California dairy workers infected by H5N1
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2024 11:39:49 -0500
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On 10/4/2024 10:41 AM, RonO wrote:
> On 10/4/2024 8:25 AM, RonO wrote:
>> https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/california-dairy-workers-infected- 
>> bird-flu-latest-human-114482799
>>
>> Two California dairy workers have been confirmed to have been infected 
>> by the H5N1 dairy virus.  Both were dairy workers.  It was expected 
>> because California has had the highest herd detection rate because 
>> they have been tracking dairy worker contacts from infected herds, and 
>> have been identifying infected herds before the dairy farmers had 
>> detected symptoms.  It has been likely that dairy workers were 
>> spreading the virus to poultry farms since the beginnings in Texas.  
>> The virus only is infectious off clothing or skin for less than 30 
>> minutes, and they knew that poultry farms and states like Kansas did 
>> not get infected cattle. Infected dairy workers have likely been 
>> spreading the virus from the beginning.
>>
>> California was not testing the dairy workers, they were only tracking 
>> their contacts.  These two had the eye infection symptoms, and were 
>> tested.
>>
>> The CDC is still claiming the danger of human to human infection is 
>> low, but the more herds infected the more humans will be infected, and 
>> the greater the chance that the virus will mutate into something much 
>> worse.   They are claiming that this isn't evidence for person to 
>> person transmission, but that isn't the major issue with infected 
>> herds.  It is the virus evolving to better infect humans that is the 
>> issue that they should be trying to control, and the CDC refuses to do 
>> anything about that.
>>
>> California is trying to detect all the infected herds as quickly as 
>> possible, and they are using possible human transmission to other 
>> farms to do it, and it is obviously working.  Over 50 herds have been 
>> detected nearly all in the last couple weeks.
>>
>> Ron Okimoto
>>
> 
> The Asian strain of H5N1 killed dozens of big cats at two zoos in 
> Vietnam.  47 tigers, 3 lions and 1 panther died.  The dairy H5N1 is a 
> recombinant virus and half of it's genome is from a North American 
> strain of Avian influenza, but it still is lethal to cats.  In the US 
> the cats have been dying of brain infections.
> 
> https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/dozens-zoo-tigers-die-after- 
> contracting-bird-flu-114490246
> 
> Ron Okimoto
> 

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2024/s1003-birdflu-case-california.html

The CDC is still claiming that human infections are rare, but that 
likely was never the case.  The CDC still has tested less than 250 
people when thousands have been in contact with infected cattle or close 
contacts of dairy workers.  My take is that the spread from herd to herd 
and poultry farms can be explained by an infection rate of around than 
5% among dairy workers, but the Colorado poultry workers (6 of them) 
were infected at the same farm dealing with the dairy virus infecting a 
layer flock.  These poultry workers were wearing protective gear, but it 
wasn't enough.  The dairy virus seems to infect the patients eyes, so 
you pretty much need to wear a gas mask like face protector to keep from 
getting infected.

As stupid as it may be the CDC is still advising people to wear 
protective equipment when dealing with infected animals, but they refuse 
to identify all the infected herds so that the people will know when 
they should wear the protective gear.

The CDC is really supporting their failing program, and refuse to admit 
that they have been wrong for months.  They never started contact 
tracing, and testing dairy workers.  They never attempted to identify 
all the infected herds even though their advice to dairy workers about 
wearing protective gear depended on identifying infected herds. 
California has demonstrated that contact tracing works in detecting 
infected herds even if the dairy workers are not tested.  They have 
known that more states had infected herds, but refused to start testing 
in those states.  It has been obvious since May that Florida had 
infected herds.  Positive dairy products were produced in Florida (FDA 
testing) even though Florida is several states away from Carolina and 
Texas (states known to have infected herds) and the CDC's own waste 
water data indicated that some Florida counties had exceptionally high 
levels of influenza in their waste water.  No one went to those counties 
to test the dairies, nor track back the milk source of the positive 
dairy plant that produced the positive dairy products.  Dairy workers 
have been exposed to the virus in Florida, at least, since May and they 
are not testing, nor are they requiring protective gear to protect the 
dairy workers from being infected.  Florida is just one of the states 
that has not admitted to having infected herds at this time.

Ron Okimoto