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From: The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
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Subject: Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2024 21:05:52 +0100
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On 04/10/2024 17:40, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
>> On Thu, 03 Oct 2024 23:55:51 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> Thomas Malthus figured this out over 200 years ago.
>>
>> He was wrong, though. Human ingenuity (i.e. science and technology) kept
>> things going long after he thought they would fall apart.
> 
> For a short time, in the context of human history.   Without
> the agricultural use of fossil fuels (fertilizer, mechanization),
> Malthus and Ehrlich estimates would have been quite realistic.
> 
> The EROEI for oil is has already dropped by a factor of
> 10 (even more for the oil sands/tar sands/fracking plays, some
> of which aren't far from unity).
> 
> Hoping that some new paradigm comes along that allows global
> energy growth to continue to grow by 2.3% p.a. is wishful
> thinking, not good planning.  Regardless, there is a hard-limit
> on that growth as well (due simply to waste heat from energy
> production and use).
> 
Completely true.

quadrupling human population would impact the environment far far more 
than a few tenths of a percent of CO2 in the air
-- 
Climate is what you expect but weather is what you get.
Mark Twain