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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: heating a cap Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2024 21:56:04 +1000 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 47 Message-ID: <vdr9h2$oc9e$1@dont-email.me> References: <e0aufj92e8200qiirc12bdnocsf1ertiut@4ax.com> <qn70gj9jagbgb5a24ga6ir32mn846hf3qu@4ax.com> <nrd0gjlumh4sl9697q9erhku8od1tt9ld0@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2024 13:56:20 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="4ac2cd68b06985bfb6202d9d66d471c5"; logging-data="799022"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/30IbDXH87q3vQVpR60RtUzowieAYXKQY=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:nwCvTdsFL4djwhGdmaCIBuEWRW8= X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 241005-2, 5/10/2024), Outbound message Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <nrd0gjlumh4sl9697q9erhku8od1tt9ld0@4ax.com> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Bytes: 2786 On 5/10/2024 5:44 am, john larkin wrote: > On Fri, 04 Oct 2024 18:00:51 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> > wrote: > >> On Thu, 03 Oct 2024 16:36:24 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I got a small (under 1" long) aluminum electro cap, 220 uF 63v, and >>> cranked up the voltage. It started drawing a bunch of current at 105 >>> volts, got hot, and folded back to 80 mA at 87v. >>> >>> It got too hot to touch in a couple of minutes, after roughly 500 >>> joules. Freeze spray let it go back up to 100 volts or so. >>> >>> None of that seemed to damage it, so an electrolytic cap sort of has a >>> built-in MOV. >> >> That's a hell of sweeping conclusion to come to based on a test of >> just one random electrolytic! > > It's more data than no experiment would provide. But you'd learn a lot more if you had a better idea of what you were doing. > Elecs seem to explode from internal steam pressure, which sounds > fairly predictable. > > But other people here could try it too. They could also read up a bit on the chemistry of the particular sort of electrolytic capacitor they were putting under stress. > Film caps fail suddenly at some large multiple of rated voltage. > Ceramics too, but some start leaking first. There are lots of different ceramic capacitors, from NPO to XR7. Some people would be more specific. > Is seems like electrolytics start to leak seriously at about 1.5x rated > voltage and die from overheating. A rather sweeping generalisation. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney