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Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: piglet <erichpwagner@hotmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Ultra-Low Power Operation Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2024 09:25:47 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 33 Message-ID: <vdtl2r$16eol$1@dont-email.me> References: <vhh4gj9q0e3uvahubbpfgtvdbbmj9npk2c@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2024 11:25:47 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d2694fdd0c8fe73c59858ea78f8c29dd"; logging-data="1260309"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+PQhduipOP+3VbBKjqgxm3" User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPhone/iPod Touch) Cancel-Lock: sha1:nl1lYy7skoaLIH4C8BMZGlP81kw= sha1:RavluOvf6gKGvlR5JYaBfcCopPw= Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote: > Gentlemen, > > I vaguely recall going back the best part of 60 years now, there was a > competition among radio designers (AM in those days) to come up with > the design which would operate at the lowest possible supply voltage. > This had arisen, I would guess, as a result of the 'semiconductor > revolution' and all these designers would compete to develop a working > radio using ever more absurd Vcc levels. I'm pretty sure someone > managed to get something credible together that worked off of just > over 1 volt but can't be sure after all these years and there's > nothing I could find on the 'net about such a contest, either. But I > do remember it, for sure. > I'd just be interested to know what can be done with <1V today. Anyone > know? > Around that time there were published designs using germanium transistor inverter to step up 250-300mV to a few volts for driving more conventional items. Complete radios built from Ge tunnel diodes were done too. Silicon bipolars are constrained by 0.6/0.7V forward junction voltages but once started can continue stepping up from much lower voltages. LT made a boost converter IC that once started continued boosting from 100mV. Depletion fets let you go much lower, Jan Panteltje has posted his 20mV booster which lights a LED. -- piglet