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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!newsfeed.xs3.de!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: CDC November research report on virus viability in pasteurized milk Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2024 13:31:00 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 24 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <ve19d4$1qgcp$1@dont-email.me> Reply-To: rokimoto557@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="98357"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:1t6ANAFtzDtNW2bm83zekj7XGjY= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 1275D22986F; Mon, 07 Oct 2024 14:30:43 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5EBE22978C for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Mon, 07 Oct 2024 14:30:40 -0400 (EDT) id 9579C5FD37; Mon, 7 Oct 2024 18:31:07 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay.zaccari.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 661D65FD20 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Mon, 7 Oct 2024 18:31:07 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 mod-relay.zaccari.net 661D65FD20 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 43D035F874 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Mon, 7 Oct 2024 18:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/43D035F874; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id C1536DC01A9; Mon, 7 Oct 2024 20:31:02 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2024 20:31:02 +0200 (CEST) Content-Language: en-US X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX18hjdGL5q2AkqRAXZZ0ge31/VCVOjVVXZU= FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD,FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 3687 https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/30/11/24-0772_article This article is in the November news letter. It indicates that the milk supply may not be as safe as the FDA thinks. There are two pasteurization methods. 63 degrees C for 30 minutes and 72 degrees C for 15 to 20 seconds. The 30 minute method decreased viable virus to below detection level, but the 72 degree C method did not. This study also found that the virus remained infective for greater than 4 days after pasteurization. This means that if the 72 degree C method is used there could be live virus in the milk for more than 4 days. The article doesn't mention this, but H5 flu virus detection in city waste water has been an unexplained mystery because symptoms are not being claimed in those cities, but mild gut infections may be going unnoticed. It might explain H5N1 in waste water where it should not be found. It sounds like the pasteurization method of processing plants accepting possibly infected milk should be checked out. Diarrhea was one of the symptoms expressed by the Missouri patient. Ron Okimoto