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Path: ...!news.roellig-ltd.de!open-news-network.org!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: How many different unit fractions are lessorequal than all unit fractions? (infinitary) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2024 09:30:44 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 46 Message-ID: <ve2n34$23ume$4@dont-email.me> References: <vb4rde$22fb4$2@solani.org> <vdpbuv$alvo$1@dont-email.me> <8c94a117d7ddaba3e7858116dc5bc7c66a46c405@i2pn2.org> <vdqttc$mnhd$1@dont-email.me> <vdr1g3$n3li$6@dont-email.me> <8ce3fac3a0c92d85c72fec966d424548baebe5af@i2pn2.org> <vdrd5q$sn2$2@news.muc.de> <55cbb075e2f793e3c52f55af73c82c61d2ce8d44@i2pn2.org> <vdrgka$sn2$3@news.muc.de> <vds38v$1ih6$6@solani.org> <vdscnj$235p$1@news.muc.de> <RJKcnSeCMNokRpz6nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com> <vdto2k$1jte$1@news.muc.de> <vdu4mt$18h8h$1@dont-email.me> <vdu874$271t$2@news.muc.de> <vdua6f$18vqi$2@dont-email.me> <05a3027798506434bf2f30b527e0f57d300e76c3@i2pn2.org> <ve0570$1kqpu$2@dont-email.me> <6f188d193341a3862f4c788a44dff3dfb27fb6bd@i2pn2.org> <81f6f0271a53803c0bf79be304ce2484e33aecda@i2pn2.org> <ve1g7e$1r205$3@dont-email.me> <9c40b18616ae46bd3220da775ee80456b643c982@i2pn2.org> <ve1uv0$1tbus$3@dont-email.me> <ve2n02$23ume$3@dont-email.me> Reply-To: invalid@example.invalid MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2024 09:30:45 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a6bda7146014a2d0cd7b571c1092f7d6"; logging-data="2226894"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18KVc8yqdqU22gSlemvCSxc" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:e22viZdznscGrl6e+DaSTfaMK3A= Content-Language: de-DE In-Reply-To: <ve2n02$23ume$3@dont-email.me> Bytes: 4317 Am 08.10.2024 um 09:29 schrieb Moebius: > Am 08.10.2024 um 02:38 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >> On 10/7/2024 4:01 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > >>> I am allowing that an INFINITE being MIGHT be able to comprehend >>> something like an actual infinity. But this can not possibly be done >>> by a finite being. > > It can. > > This idiot should read Peter Suber's Infinite Reflections: "Perhaps it cannot be imagined but it can be conceived; it is not reserved for infinite omniscience, but knowable by finite humanity..." > "Conclusion > > Properly understood, the idea of a completed infinity is no longer a > problem in mathematics or philosophy. It is perfectly intelligible and > coherent. Perhaps it cannot be imagined but it can be conceived; it is > not reserved for infinite omniscience, but knowable by finite humanity; > it may contradict intuition, but it does not contradict itself. To > conceive it adequately we need not enumerate or visualize infinitely > many objects, but merely understand self-nesting. We have an actual, > positive idea of it, or at least with training we can have one; we are > not limited to the idea of finitude and its negation. In fact, it is at > least as plausible to think that we understand finitude as the negation > of infinitude as the other way around. The world of the infinite is not > barred to exploration by the equivalent of sea monsters and tempests; it > is barred by the equivalent of motion sickness. The world of the > infinite is already open for exploration, but to embark we must unlearn > our finitistic intuitions which instill fear and confusion by making > some consistent and demonstrable results about the infinite literally > counter-intuitive. Exploration itself will create an alternative set of > intuitions which make us more susceptible to the feeling which Kant > called the sublime. Longer acquaintance will confirm Spinoza's > conclusion that the secret of joy is to love something infinite." > > Source: http://legacy.earlham.edu/~peters/writing/infinity.htm > > > Well, us as finite beings know that there is not a largest natural > > number... That right there is a basic understanding of the infinite: > > Fair enough? > > Right.