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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: A typical conversation with a relativistic idiot Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2024 10:40:15 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 124 Message-ID: <ve2r10$243od$1@dont-email.me> References: <17fbd62ff541993b$215411$822353$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <34c10d1c713d69e6c929db20ee9f5744@www.novabbs.com> <17fc1acfb017d420$221344$822353$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <d56adc76b04ad31c1de932c5d20648ae@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2024 10:37:52 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="dfc9763a0eafb0e4f4411ff79820d49e"; logging-data="2232077"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/Lcy8MpU2rld8fd7weKqqU" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:B6Pxf2n5LvZjgAxU97caulXIMxQ= Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <d56adc76b04ad31c1de932c5d20648ae@www.novabbs.com> Bytes: 5355 Den 08.10.2024 03:05, skrev rhertz: > Read my last post about local time. > > The imbecile PRETENDED to teach me about how GALILEO'S TRANSFORM IS NOT > THE BASIS of the fraudulent derivation of the Lorentz transforms. I am not trying to teach you anything. I am only pointing out that your are making a fool of yourself when you claim: "GALILEO'S TRANSFORM IS THE BASIS of the fraudulent derivation of the Lorentz transforms" in §3 of https://paulba.no/paper/Electrodynamics.pdf > > I HAD TO MAKE A DRAWING INCLUDING EVERY RELEVANT TEXT OF THE POINT 3, > WHERE THE SLICKY VIPER (EINSTEIN) USED MANY RETORTED WORDS TO HIDE THE > FACT THAT x' = x-vt IS ESSENTIAL FOR HIS MATHEMATICAL DERIVATION. x' = x-vt is obviously very essential in Einstein's derivation of the Lorentz transform. But it is not the Galilean transform. In Einstein's notation, the Galilean transform is: ξ = x - vt See if you can find it in §3 of https://paulba.no/paper/Electrodynamics.pdf > > Regarding his last post, and his idiot interpretations, IT IS A SAMPLE > of the behavior of a liar, deceiver, fraudulent and IMBECILE relativist. > > Paul prefers to DIE LYING AND DISTORTING FACTS before REASON A BIT. > > I've cut any interaction with that cretin since today. I can understand why you won't respond to me. :-) ---------------- The DISTORTED FACTS again: You have not understood anything of Einstein's text, which is very obvious from your ridiculous claim that §3 is a plagiarism of Lorentz. You can't even have read §3 properly, you have only scrutinised the text to find "x' = x − vt", and when you found it, you got an orgasm, shouting: "EINSTEIN USED GALILEAN TRANSFORM TO DERIVE LORENTZ WITHOUT ETHER!!" But you are yet again making a fool of yourself, and yet again you are demonstrating that you are unable to read a text and understand what you read. I could leave it at that, but since you are such a nice person, I will explain. See: https://paulba.no/paper/Electrodynamics.pdf Read §3 Theory of the Transformation of Co-ordinates and Times from a Stationary System to another System in Uniform Motion of Translation Relatively to the Former On the first page (page 5) Einstein defines the coordinate systems. The "stationary system" K(t,x,y,z) coordinates are Latin letters The "moving system" k(τ,ξ,η,ζ) coordinates are Greek letters So the Galilean transform is: ξ = x - vt You will _not_ find this anywhere in Einstein's paper. The x' is a point in the stationary system K, it is NOT a coordinate in the moving system k. So x' = x - vt is a _moving_ point in K. And since x' is moving with the speed v, it will be stationary relative to k. And as you quoted above: " We first define τ as a function of x', y, z, and t", τ(t,x',y,z) This is the first step in finding the functions: τ(t,x,y,z) = β(t - (v/c²)x) ξ(t,x,y,z) = β(x - vt) η(t,x,y,z) = y ζ(t,x,y,z) = z Read the math in §3! There is no resemblance to anything you find in Lorentz's paper. Lorentz didn't even write the Lorentz transform in that paper! He only used the Galilean transform first, and then the "change of variable" transform. These two transforms together is the Lorentz transform. See: https://paulba.no/div/LTorigin.pdf "For a reader who is not very skilled in mathematics, it may not be obvious that the Lorentz transformation is defined in that paper." Richard Hertz is obviously in this category, because he thought the "change of variables" transform was the Lorentz transform. " 1904 ORIGINAL LORENTZ TRANSFORMS x' = β x ; Lorentz Eq. 4 t' = t/β - β vx/c² ; Lorentz Eq. 5 " ----------- Remember that x', like any symbol, may have different meaning in different texts. 😂 You have a lot in common with Dilbert: https://paulba.no/pdf/Dilbert.pdf I will repeat it again if you repeat your ridiculous claim: "EINSTEIN USED GALILEAN TRANSFORM TO DERIVE LORENTZ WITHOUT ETHER!!" -- Paul https://paulba.no/