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Path: ...!news.nobody.at!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!reader5.news.weretis.net!news.solani.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> Newsgroups: sci.physics Subject: Re: I'm Satoshi, We are all Satoshi Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2024 01:54:50 +0200 Message-ID: <ve4gob$6600$1@solani.org> References: <ve24ki$4r2r$1@solani.org> <ve27so$46lf$2@solani.org> <ve322b$4j9m$1@solani.org> <ve4db9$64la$1@solani.org> <ve4ei6$6554$1@solani.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2024 23:54:51 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: solani.org; logging-data="202752"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.solani.org" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.19 Cancel-Lock: sha1:m+9+0MW2c5YB7igtPV3wINx0BYg= In-Reply-To: <ve4ei6$6554$1@solani.org> X-User-ID: eJwFwYEBwCAIA7CXENuC5zCF/09Ywq2lGxAFDud0JqPSTAZPi3Dw+iwhw7Pp6wvNaJtYCsODv65C19kzPwy4FFM= Bytes: 3936 Lines: 93 The Deutsche Mark is nice example, because it was also a currency globally used. Before the switch to the euro, the Deutsche Mark was the largest international reserve currency after the United States dollar. After the switch from Deutche Mark to Euro the impact was around 25%, it now dropped to 20%, what concerns foreign exchange reserves. But this is only foreign exchange reserves, if you look outside of foreign exchanges reserves I find (according to ChatGPT in 2023): M1 M2 USD 2.3 trillion 21 trillion EUR 1.6 trillion 15 trillion So the gap is smaller between USD and EUR. What about crypto, like BTC and ETH? M1 M2 ETH $526.5 billion ? BTC $193.6 billion ? But there were rumors of "paper BTC", and thus M2 crypto money. EU is currently working on Markets in Crypto-Assets Regulation (MiCA). Not sure whether the idea would be to forbid M2. But M2 looks like a logical development of any currency that is used in a enconomy with value creation. So while cripto was initially peer to peer payment, it might have already been evolved to something else with new technologies such as Stablecoins, DeFi Platforms, etc.. Idioyncratic especially MiCA seems to dream a dream of Stablecoins pegged to a fiat. Mild Shock schrieb: > Example of a currency that disappeared: > > In 1999, the Deutsche Mark was replaced > by the euro; its coins and banknotes remained > in circulation, defined in terms of euros, > until the introduction of euro notes and > coins on 1 January 2002. > > Similarly BTC can be replaced by a crowd > event. You will just see people selling > their BTC and buying who knows what, > > DOGE, SOL, etc.. The better coins with > unlimmited supply. It will happen when > there is an impasse in BTC because it is > > limmited. The problem is only it seems > BTC is not only an M1 currency, it might > already appear in books and become an > > M2 currency. Then, well, it could be even > easier to get rid of it. This was all > exercise also with Deutsche Mark. > > Physfitfreak schrieb: >> On 10/8/24 05:38, Mild Shock wrote: >>> No, no, it will crash. Believe me! >>> >>> Physfitfreak schrieb: >>>> On 10/7/24 21:15, Mild Shock wrote: >>>>> Don't forget to buy other coins, Bitcoin has >>>>> limited supply, it will soon be a historical >>>>> footnote. Everybody knows, there are better >>>> >>>> >>>> You're just jealous. You probably sold too soon. >>> >> >> >> Not that long ago it came down to $16k. If by that you mean "crashing" >> then it's something natural about bitcoin. It'll go back up later. >> >> Bitcoin has a lot of uses as long as banks can stop paying your money >> back to you for bogus reasons. >> >> Bitcoin cannot get "frozen." >