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From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: California dairy workers infected by H5N1
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2024 20:38:36 -0500
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On 10/8/2024 2:34 PM, RonO wrote:
> On 10/6/2024 12:28 PM, RonO wrote:
>> On 10/4/2024 11:39 AM, RonO wrote:
>>> On 10/4/2024 10:41 AM, RonO wrote:
>>>> On 10/4/2024 8:25 AM, RonO wrote:
>>>>> https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/california-dairy-workers- 
>>>>> infected- bird-flu-latest-human-114482799
>>>>>
>>>>> Two California dairy workers have been confirmed to have been 
>>>>> infected by the H5N1 dairy virus.  Both were dairy workers.  It was 
>>>>> expected because California has had the highest herd detection rate 
>>>>> because they have been tracking dairy worker contacts from infected 
>>>>> herds, and have been identifying infected herds before the dairy 
>>>>> farmers had detected symptoms.  It has been likely that dairy 
>>>>> workers were spreading the virus to poultry farms since the 
>>>>> beginnings in Texas. The virus only is infectious off clothing or 
>>>>> skin for less than 30 minutes, and they knew that poultry farms and 
>>>>> states like Kansas did not get infected cattle. Infected dairy 
>>>>> workers have likely been spreading the virus from the beginning.
>>>>>
>>>>> California was not testing the dairy workers, they were only 
>>>>> tracking their contacts.  These two had the eye infection symptoms, 
>>>>> and were tested.
>>>>>
>>>>> The CDC is still claiming the danger of human to human infection is 
>>>>> low, but the more herds infected the more humans will be infected, 
>>>>> and the greater the chance that the virus will mutate into 
>>>>> something much worse.   They are claiming that this isn't evidence 
>>>>> for person to person transmission, but that isn't the major issue 
>>>>> with infected herds.  It is the virus evolving to better infect 
>>>>> humans that is the issue that they should be trying to control, and 
>>>>> the CDC refuses to do anything about that.
>>>>>
>>>>> California is trying to detect all the infected herds as quickly as 
>>>>> possible, and they are using possible human transmission to other 
>>>>> farms to do it, and it is obviously working.  Over 50 herds have 
>>>>> been detected nearly all in the last couple weeks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron Okimoto
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Asian strain of H5N1 killed dozens of big cats at two zoos in 
>>>> Vietnam.  47 tigers, 3 lions and 1 panther died.  The dairy H5N1 is 
>>>> a recombinant virus and half of it's genome is from a North American 
>>>> strain of Avian influenza, but it still is lethal to cats.  In the 
>>>> US the cats have been dying of brain infections.
>>>>
>>>> https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/dozens-zoo-tigers-die-after- 
>>>> contracting-bird-flu-114490246
>>>>
>>>> Ron Okimoto
>>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2024/s1003-birdflu-case- 
>>> california.html
>>>
>>> The CDC is still claiming that human infections are rare, but that 
>>> likely was never the case.  The CDC still has tested less than 250 
>>> people when thousands have been in contact with infected cattle or 
>>> close contacts of dairy workers.  My take is that the spread from 
>>> herd to herd and poultry farms can be explained by an infection rate 
>>> of around than 5% among dairy workers, but the Colorado poultry 
>>> workers (6 of them) were infected at the same farm dealing with the 
>>> dairy virus infecting a layer flock.  These poultry workers were 
>>> wearing protective gear, but it wasn't enough.  The dairy virus seems 
>>> to infect the patients eyes, so you pretty much need to wear a gas 
>>> mask like face protector to keep from getting infected.
>>>
>>> As stupid as it may be the CDC is still advising people to wear 
>>> protective equipment when dealing with infected animals, but they 
>>> refuse to identify all the infected herds so that the people will 
>>> know when they should wear the protective gear.
>>>
>>> The CDC is really supporting their failing program, and refuse to 
>>> admit that they have been wrong for months.  They never started 
>>> contact tracing, and testing dairy workers.  They never attempted to 
>>> identify all the infected herds even though their advice to dairy 
>>> workers about wearing protective gear depended on identifying 
>>> infected herds. California has demonstrated that contact tracing 
>>> works in detecting infected herds even if the dairy workers are not 
>>> tested. They have known that more states had infected herds, but 
>>> refused to start testing in those states.  It has been obvious since 
>>> May that Florida had infected herds.  Positive dairy products were 
>>> produced in Florida (FDA testing) even though Florida is several 
>>> states away from Carolina and Texas (states known to have infected 
>>> herds) and the CDC's own waste water data indicated that some Florida 
>>> counties had exceptionally high levels of influenza in their waste 
>>> water.  No one went to those counties to test the dairies, nor track 
>>> back the milk source of the positive dairy plant that produced the 
>>> positive dairy products.  Dairy workers have been exposed to the 
>>> virus in Florida, at least, since May and they are not testing, nor 
>>> are they requiring protective gear to protect the dairy workers from 
>>> being infected. Florida is just one of the states that has not 
>>> admitted to having infected herds at this time.
>>>
>>> Ron Okimoto
>>>
>>
>> https://abcnews.go.com/Health/us-72m-vaccine-manufacturers-advance- 
>> bird- flu-shot/story?id=114502971
>>
>> The US is putting 72 million into getting pharm companies started in 
>> producing a flu vaccine that includes H5.  The latest Missouri case 
>> indicates that this is wasted money.  That patient had an H5 gene with 
>> 2 amino acid substitutions in it that supposedly reduces neutralizing 
>> ability of H5 antigens 10 to 100 fold.  The CDC is currently allowing 
>> the virus to spread among dairy cattle and dairy workers, and the 
>> virus is obviously mutating.  What we will need is a vaccine that 
>> works against the version of the virus that eventually adapts to 
>> better infect humans.
>>
>> They should have been identifying all the infected herds and trying to 
>> limit the spread of the virus from the beginning.  California 
>> indicates that contact tracing dairy workers even without testing them 
>> can identify infected herds, but the CDC never started contact 
>> tracing, nor a testing program for dairy workers.  Infected dairy 
>> workers have likely been the primary vector for spreading the dairy 
>> virus to other herds and poultry farms.  As the virus spread it 
>> mutates, so any attempt to make a vaccine at this time will likely 
>> fall short of making an effective vaccine against what will eventually 
>> become the next pandemic virus.
>>
>> Really, only two herds in Michigan got infected cattle from Texas, and 
>> it was likely spread to multiple counties and dozens of herds by dairy 
>> workers.  The Michigan survey of dairy workers told them that it was 
>> common for dairy workers to work at more than one dairy farm, and some 
>> of them worked at poultry farms.  Michigan lost several very large 
>> flocks of layers to the dairy virus, and dairy workers likely infected 
>> the first flock while the other flocks shared poultry workers.
>>
>> Ron Okimoto
>>
> 
> Second attempt to send:
> 
> https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/08/health/bird-flu-california-dairy-farms/ 
> index.html
> 
> A third dairy worker in California is believed to have been infected by 
> the dairy virus.  The CDC is obfuscating the issue instead of deal with 
> the fact that dairy worker infections have likely always been more 
> common than they have detected because they never bothered to test the 
> workers like they have been doing in California.
> 
> A Brown University pandemic specialist is claiming that dairy worker 
> infections are more of a problem than the CDC is claiming, and that more 
> should be done to prevent dairy worker infections, but the CDC never 
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