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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: HHH(DDD)==0
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2024 06:11:50 -0500
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On 10/9/2024 5:52 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 10/8/24 11:47 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 10/8/2024 7:49 AM, Andy Walker wrote:
>>  > Richard -- no-one sane carries on an extended discussion with
>>  > someone they [claim to] consider a "stupid liar".  So which are you?
>>  > Not sane?  Or stupid enough to try to score points off someone who is
>>  > incapable of conceding them?  Or lying when you describe Peter?  You
>>  > must surely have better things to do.  Meanwhile, you surely noticed
>>  > that Peter is running rings around you.
>>
>> I am incapable of conceding this self-evident truth:
>>
>>    DDD emulated by each corresponding HHH that can possibly
>>    exist never returns
>>
>>    thus each of the directly executed  HHH emulators that does
>>    return 0 correctly reports the above non-terminating behavior.
> 
> So, you don't understand that calling a false statement true is just 
> proof of being a liar.
> 
> First, as explained, the meaning of the sentence clearly is talking 
> about the behavior of DDD, which is the behavior of it executed, which 
> you yourself have prove will halt if HHH(DDD) returns an answer.
> 
> Andl even if we let you say that your first claim is correct about the 
> PARTIAL emulation of DDD by HHH, then the second doesn't follow, as 
> nothing was shown to be non-terminating, as that phrase applies to the 
> behavior of a MACHINE/PROGRAM, not the partial emulation of one, so the 
> fact that a partial emulation didn't reach an end doesn't show non- 
> termination.
> 
> The only non-terminating machines in view in your system are the ones 
> associated with the HHH(DDD) that never aborts, and those are not halt 
> deciders.
> 
> And the only way that the HHH(DDD) that returns 0 can say its input is 
> that DDD is if you blantently ignore the fact that to even be a program, 
> the definition of DDD *MUST* include the code that it calls, so it 
> includes that the DDD that calls that HHH that returns 0, is also itself 
> calling that same HHH, not some other one, and thus your argument is 
> based on LYING about what is happening her.
> 
> So, you are just showing that
> 
> PPPP   EEEEE  TTTTT  EEEEE  RRRR
> P   P  E        T    E      R   R
> P   P  E        T    E      R   R
> PPPP   EEEEE    T    EEEEE  RRRR
> P      E        T    E      R R
> P      E        T    E      R  R
> P      EEEEE    T    EEEEE  R   R
> 
> 
>   OOO   L       CCC    OOO   TTTTT  TTTTT
> O   O  L      C   C  O   O    T      T
> O   O  L      C      O   O    T      T
> O   O  L      C      O   O    T      T
> O   O  L      C      O   O    T      T
> O   O  L      C   C  O   O    T      T
>   OOO   LLLLL   CCC    OOO     T      T
> 
> 
> L     IIIII  EEEEE   SSS
> L       I    E      S   S
> L       I    E      S
> L       I    EEEEE   SSS
> L       I    E          S
> L       I    E      S   S
> LLLLL IIIII  EEEEE   SSS
> 
> 
> AND THINKS IT IS OK
> 
>>
>> He summed you up pretty well:
>> On 10/8/2024 7:49 AM, Andy Walker wrote:
>>  > *Meanwhile, you surely noticed*
>>  > *that Peter is running rings around you*
>>
> 
> Yep, you are running rings around me, and not getting anywhere because 
> you have no where to get to.
> 
> You are just a failure, a DOOMED liar that has been totally exposed.
> 
> You are just proving that you have no idea what you are talking about, 
> and aren't even trying to defend your statements as having any basis of 
> truth.
> 
> At least Trump, the election deniers, and the climate change deniers 
> will work to find evidence for their position.
> 
> You are just admitting, by just repeating the same lies, that you have 
> nothing to actually justify your claims except your own conviction that 
> it must be true.
> 
> Calling a disproven statement "self-evidently true" is just an admission 
> that you are just wrong.
> 
> 

Everything that I said is true within the meaning of my words.

-- 
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer